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[Nikov]

Right now it seems just about any skill involving plant processing is a "farmer" trade. I think it is worth some brainstorming to see if we can't shift a few skills into other categories.

Here's a few I've thought of;

Wood Burning: Currently a farming job, although the refining of logs into charcoal has nothing to do with food. I would place it under the Woodworker set (yellow), which follows since historically charcoal-makers cut their own trees in the wilderness, made charcoal in a huge dirt-covered mound, and carted the much lighter finished product back to civilization.

Potash Maker: Makes fertilizer, but also glass additives. One thing is certain though, nothing he makes is edible. I'd put him in woodworking like the charcoal maker, but craftsdwarf is also possible.

Soap Maker: Makes very inedible soap. Could possibly become a craftsdwarf or a woodworker.

Dyer: A craftsdwarf's job if I ever saw one. Directly related to cloth-making with quality modifier on his finished product, this job is much closer to clothier than the similar plant-processing brewer.

Butcher: Something of an odd suggestion, but has anyone considered that if the fisherdwarf and fish cleaner are both blue, why shouldn't the hunter and butcher both be green? For that matter, shearers and spinners might also fit under the same dark green animal caretaker field. Up for debate: milkers.
 
Anyone else want to contribute to the brainstorming?

[thunktone]

Doesn't seem like a big improvement to me, but your suggestions sound sensible. Soap Maker as woodworker would seem odd though. In dwarf therapist I group that with the medical skills but craftsdwarf seems sensible.

[thvaz]

Good sugestions.

[Mushroo]

"Farming" only means "food" to you? I don't get it...

[Monk321654]

Makes perfect sense to me.
After all, wouldn't wood burning be more related to, say, Weapon Smiths then Farmers?
Or Wood Workers, that sounds better.
What could burning a log have to do with growing Plump Helmets?
I support this idea.

[IT 000]

What could burning a log have to do with growing Plump Helmets?

Ash -> Potash -> Fertilizer

I do support this idea, but perhaps instead of spreading the jobs out we could split up Food related farming jobs and non-food related farming jobs into two separate groups.

[thunktone]

I do support this idea, but perhaps instead of spreading the jobs out we could split up Food related farming jobs and non-food related farming jobs into two separate groups.

That is a possibility but I would not call any of the skills in Nokov's original post farming.

It doesn't seem right to call a professional collier a farmer for example as charcoal making is an industrial process. I don't think it is a high skill profession, but making ash doesn't really require any skill or special knowledge. In the long run I think ash ought to be a by-product of processes using wood for fuel in kitchens and other workshops. It doesn't require anything remotely resembling a charcoal clamp.

[Nikov]

"Farming" only means "food" to you? I don't get it...

No, it also means agriculture to grow the raw materials for biodiesel, ethanol, plastics, industrial lubricants, solvents, rubber, pharamacuticals and erosion control straw. However I do not consider chemical engineers manufacturing industrial alcohol out of molasses "farmers" any more than I would consider a machinist producing automotive parts a "miner".

[Mushroo]

I like the idea to move wood burning/potash making in with woodcutting, actually.

[kalida99]

Maybe combine some of the labors? Wood burning could fit well into furnace operating, Tanning could just fit right into leather working, Milking into cheese making, etc.

[antymattar]

I wok at a farm. Never in my life have I had to spin shit into yarn. EVER!

[IT 000]

I wok at a farm. Never in my life have I had to spin shit into yarn. EVER!

Pre-1400 you would.

I support the condensing of labors. I posted this a few months back on my entire thoughts if anyone wants to check it out.

[thunktone]

Even if a farmer would make their own cheese and spin their own cloth it does not mean that those use the same skills. It may be that some tasks should be performed without a skill, like hauling is now, but lumping completely different processes under the same skill seems like it would only detract from the game. If a farmer also span yarn this is just because of labour shortage, it does not mean that spinning yarn is farming. Sowing seeds and harvesting crops would not in any way give you a head start in learning how to make yarn, soap or charcoal.

[antymattar]

ALthough there is one job I do do a LOT! Digging graves for all the dead goats that die once in a while. Yup.

[Lav]

Here are two variants of job regrouping.

First, based on production sequences, I tried to band all related jobs together. Each group has some jobs without a related quality modifier, and most groups have some jobs with related quality modifiers (some of them moodable). This results in 9 job groups total (compared to current 13).

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WOODWORKING (everything related to wood): Wood Cutting, Carpentry, Crossbow Making, Woodcrafting, Siege Engineering

STONEWORKING (everything related to stone and mining): Mining, Masonry, Strand Extraction, Stone Detailing, Architect, Mechanic, Stonecrafting, Gem Cutting, Gem Setting

ANIMAL RELATED (everything related to large animals): Animal Training, Animal Care, Hunting, Butchery, Tanning, Cheese Making, Milking, Shearing, Spinning, Leatherworking, Bone Carving

SMALL ANIMAL RELATED (everything related to small animals): Fishing, Fish Cleaning, Fish Dissection, Trapping, Small Animal Dissection, Pressing, Bee Keeping, Wax Working

FARMING LABOURS (everything related to plants): Milling, Plant Processing, Plant Gathering, Farming, Brewing, Cooking, Dyeing, Weaving, Clothesmaking

FIRE RELATED (everything that implies fire or ash): Wood Burning, Potash Making, Lye Making, Soap Making, Furnace Operating, Weaponsmithing, Armoring, Blacksmithing, Metalcrafting, Glassmaking, Pottery, Glazing

MEDICAL JOBS (medical skills): Diagnosis, Surgery, Setting Bones, Suturing, Dressing Wounds

MISCELLANEOUS LABOURS (jobs with no resulting products): Siege Operating, Pump Operating, Feed Patients/Prisoners, Recovering Wounded, Burial, Cleaning

HAULING LABOURS: Stone Hauling, Wood Hauling, Item Hauling, Food Hauling, Furniture Hauling, Animal Hauling, Refuse Hauling

Second variant, instead of grouping related jobs, I banded all moodable jobs together into one big group (split into three subgroups for easier reference), and proceeded from there. Major advantage is that all moodable skills are placed together. The resulting set includes 11 job groups:

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RESOURCE COLLECTION (jobs that require weapon tools): Wood Cutting, Mining

PROCESSING LABOURS (non-moodable non-quality productive jobs): Wood Burning, Potash Making, Lye Making, Furnace Operating, Strand Extraction, Soap Making

PRODUCTION JOBS (moodable productive jobs - first group): Carpentry, Siege Engineering, Masonry, Architect, Stone Detailing, Mechanic, Glassmaking, Pottery, Glazing

CRAFTING JOBS (moodable productive jobs - second group): Crossbow Making, Woodcrafting, Stonecrafting, Gem Cutting, Gem Setting, Leatherworking, Bone Carving, Wax Working, Dyeing, Weaving, Clothesmaking

SMITHING JOBS (moodable productive jobs - third group): Weaponsmithing, Armoring, Blacksmithing, Metalcrafting

ANIMAL LABOURS (jobs related to large and small animals): Animal Training, Animal Care, Hunting, Butchery, Tanning, Cheese Making, Milking, Shearing, Spinning, Trapping, Small Animal Dissection, Pressing, Bee Keeping

FISHING LABOURS (jobs related to fish): Fishing, Fish Cleaning, Fish Dissection

FARMING JOBS (jobs related to plants): Plant Gathering, Farming, Brewing, Cooking, Milling, Plant Processing

MEDICAL JOBS (medical skills): Diagnosis, Surgery, Setting Bones, Suturing, Dressing Wounds

MISCELLANEOUS LABOURS (jobs with no resulting products): Siege Operating, Pump Operating, Feed Patients/Prisoners, Recovering Wounded, Burial, Cleaning

HAULING: Stone Hauling, Wood Hauling, Item Hauling, Food Hauling, Furniture Hauling, Animal Hauling, Refuse Hauling