If this was just maverick lol random, nah that'd just be boring as hell. What's so special about denigrating where people come from? You honestly think that's inexcusable where you could excuse punching a guy in the face depending on how the other bloke comported themself? The hell does that even mean 
I mean if the guy gave as good as he got and was calling him an "inbred English moron" and daring him to do something about it because he's the producer....that's a fight between two people. If the guy is literally there apologizing for 45 minutes over cold dinner while dude calls him names, calls his people lazy, then ends with a punch to the face....then yes, how someone comports themselves does matter to me. That's the kind of shit you see about guys beating their wives.
Who's bringing up saying what we're all thinking, he's not a politician he's just a guy who pisses people off on Tele m8, the stakes are so low there's no need for political phrases
I guess the stakes are "would you watch his show again if/when he's back" and I'd gotta say no. I could probably enjoy Top Gear with just Richard and James, albeit it a little less. But knowing he's that kind of bloke, nah, I wouldn't.
It's like the people who tone down violence in order to make it more accessible to children, or the people who look for safe ways to offend someone else - you've got a serious internal conflict there
I get it, you don't like the politically correct sensitive stuff. It gets to me too. I still think it's kinda separate since technically, none of this happened on the air. Put another way, had he started calling out his cameraman in the middle of the show for being "a lazy Irish bastard" while swearing at him, before finally walking over there and punching him, would that make it different?
morality and entertainment
*shrug* When you do know something about a celebrity or media producer eventually, I think it's ok to form an opinion based on it, change my behavior because of it. If a game dev turns out to be a crook or say horrible shit or do some horrible shit, I'm ok not buying their games or playing them. I don't see why all of Hollywood and Entertainmentlandia is any different. It is simply my choice not to watch it, not like I'm out on the street boycotting the guy or something. Life is a series of moral revelations and decisions about to do about them, I don't see why entertainment is excluded. If I found out tomorrow that a 40k author I read regularly has been arrested 8 times for beating his wife, I'm gonna skip his books on the shelf next time I'm out. It's not like I would spend my time trawling the personal backgrounds of all the people who entertain me though. That's what the media is for.
Hilarious, quality anticulture
Ah, I think I get it bit more now.
The way I reckon it, after the whole thing blew up there is no one they could've gotten to fill the gap. They tried a whole rebranding thing with diversity and a total lack of moistness to get a new demographic but there's no overlap there, so obviously it's gonna die. I'm sure Beeb were hopeful that the show could still live on, but I don't think they were exactly expectant of any results. If you look at the guests they try to get on, there was that thing with canceling and all because few really wanted to go on new gear... Perhaps there were other, better hosts who just didn't want to touch the poison potato of dead people walking.
I dunno, it certainly is a poison potato but I think it would be salvagable with the right hosts (not sure how many times you can do that before you can't come back from it.) They just need guys who enjoy what they're doing, are actual car guys, who don't need to be great in the set as long as they have fun on the scene.
I just love the symbolism of it all too, cheeky Evans promises not to follow the boots of naughty schoolboy Clarkson - but the stress and expectation of results, the controversies surrounding him offending people, the actual performance itself - in the end he walks the boots of Clarkson, only without a sense of humour. I'm not too caught up on this derail since it's clearly more fruitful a discussion than the original topic, which pretty much concluded after 3 posts.
Yeah, you have to be stressing out pretty hard to swear at your audience during your opening show. I find it hard to imagine the BBC writing off a show as internationally successful as Top Gear though. Maybe you're right, maybe the show is jinxed at this point, like the bad air can't really clear from anyone that comes near it
I'm honestly surprised the celebrities don't crack more than Humpty Dumpty in a wall factory, with all them eyes on them looking for drugs, fracas and lewdness. What worries me about Evans is that he's getting really nervous about maintaining nothing's wrong. I hope at least Joey from Friends makes it out alive lol, he actually added entertainment to the show. Only criticism you can really have on him is that it's clear he's "acting," you know - like he's a character and not just being himself, reading from a script, but that would be workable if they wanted to make the show seem more scripted and finished
A degree of drugs and lewdness I can accept, even approve of. Violence, consistent racism, things of that nature, not so much. Don't you worry about Joey I'm sure he'll land on his feet. He hasn't done Dancing With the Stars yet
But yeah, with a lot of scripting and practice he'd probably be ok? But that's not what made the show fun. You tend to see an unfiltered version of people when they're driving. Which is why I always enjoyed the celebs driving budget cars segment, despite I guess people not liking it generally. Same story with the challenges and stuff, you got to see the unfiltered version of the hosts when they roll a car or wreck it or catch air or wipe out. That stuff is kinda anti-scripting and anti-playing a character.
Their hosts not driving is a bit much, I can pass off their lack of maintenance skills as it's not like they can't learn over time, but they needed to establish their scripted identity fast
Yeah, you have to have the chops to lead that show. I always liked Top Gear because it reminded me of my friends and our willingness to trash a car in the name of fun, do stuff that smart people generally don't do. You have to like cars and really love driving, maybe even driving recklessly and be willing to personally race. It won't deny it's pure machismo but it's what pulled me into the original show. If you're missing that, you can't really say it's Top Gear.
Cos we're being symbolic and all about Evans continuing the cycle of fracas, gonna be symbolic and all with the show - the Viper vs Vette, two fast cars racing with guns and missiles on top... Nothing fires, nothing happens. Why not just take off the guns and missiles if they're not doing anything and have the hosts and cars stand on their own feet? Producer's working hard in the wrong direction
My guess would be they're trying to find something their hosts are actually comfortable/capable of doing. But they did say Clarkson was a big part of shaping what the show was. Including the actual bits.
Ey, double post because it needs its own post - if they had got Rowan Atkinson and Matt LeBlanc = No issues, Good Gear
To me Joey will be forever type-casted. So I can't really give my thumbs up to that combo. But I'd definitely try to watch it for Rowan Atkinson. (You know unless he ate a baby and no one's found out about it yet, or something.)
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