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A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« on: April 26, 2014, 04:20:11 am »

   So, things have not been going so well for me lately. That's not to say the past couple years of adolescence have been fine and dandy but I am beginning to run into a brick wall I feel, and that's not something I can afford to do ever again in a certain sense of the word. I've been diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome(Now just lumped in as Autism Spectrum Disorder, oh, labels), and this is the basis for what I'm having problems with. Everyone I've ever met has agreed to extents-Change is hard. Things happen, people struggle, nothing is guaranteed or concrete in the real world because there is always a variable. For all you or I know, the world could end tomorrow. Nuclear destruction, famine, disease, plague, poverty, which does stand in stark contrast to the things I have ever been exposed to in my life(relatively sheltered and babied until a couple of years ago;according to some people I still am). Being slightly autistic, I am thankful of the diagnosis because I can be concrete in how I approach this, not that I like the other things that go along with that(Psychoactive Prescribed Zombification anyone?) but that's not my territory to complain about anymore. Prepare for a couple paragraphs if you continue reading?

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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2014, 09:16:39 am »

Well first off, I also have Aspergers. I'm 22 and have experience with change, at least on an internal scale (still living with my mom, so external change is still eluding me :P)

Basically, what I did was when I was 13, which incidentally was around the time I was stopping taking Adderall (or maybe starting? I'm bad with time in general :P) but anyway, what I did was I envisioned the person I wanted to become, I sorted and categorized all the traits I consider good and gave this "ideal person" all of them, and then I spent every single day telling myself I WAS this person, that I would achieve this ideal at all cost, and began working myself towards this, one trait at a time.

And I gave him/me a name (that I stenciled out of the whorls on a school desk XD), specifically BFEL. Which I see as a shortened form of Befell. Kinda awesome I think, and I still use that name whenever and wherever I can :P

ORIGIN STORY GET. (its not that great really.)
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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 06:32:46 pm »

   Well with the advice you just gave(please do continue to participate, I'm not sure others will) I think visualization techniques and practice with my doctor will be most effective. I've tried hypnotic(might be stretching that) variants moreso than simple idealization, but I'll take that to heart, because you havn't been the first to indicate that. I just need to work out a consistent technique and daily routine as far as that is concerned, as a plus to the actual work I'm doing. I stayed up through the night to fix my sleep cycle, ended up doing some work today for some cash and the added benefit of exercise. It was just a small odd job taking care of this neglected uphill lawn, but I give myself an A for effort. Kept plenty hydrated and replenished my food reserves with a small snack at lunch. I went home and took a cold shower and I'm feeling much better now than I did yesterday, but only because of my positive actions and effort put forth today, none else.-have to remind myself of that. I'm still plenty un-satisfied with my situation and at some upcoming odds. I have to get wisdom teeth removal surgery soon, after I recover from that need to get a job.

   Then, in late June/early July, GED, and enrollment in community college hopefully with some classes, considering my financial aid pay for roughly $250 for every course I take per semester, every month for that semester as long as I keep a certain GPA(which I'm not sure of, have to search or have someone answer that). I'm probably going to start with two classes and then just up it to the maximum of four the second semester, some planned adjustment time, maybe I won't care about that by that time(hopefully), but it will be a stressful time, re-adjusting to learning and focusing, working. coming home 'zapped' or 'brain-drained'. After a full year or two of doing nothing that mentally stimulating or reinforcing, it will be marginally more difficult I assume, but how that effects me will fall on me.

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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 06:03:00 pm »

I'm just curious, why do I get a lack of response?

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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 08:10:34 pm »

I'm just curious, why do I get a lack of response?

Hard to know what to say really. I have no experience and I was just curious to look in this thread.

I'd say tall to a psychologist but you already are in which case..be happy and live life to the fullest.

It's been my motto but I have a minor learning disability not aspergers syndrome or w.e people call it.
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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:35:28 pm »

I'm just curious, why do I get a lack of response?
I honestly thought you had everything worked out, sorry :P

There was an unintended hint of finality in your last response I suppose
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 11:19:49 pm »

Oh, yeah, I guess I did come off that way. I mean, I've begun searching for a job but I've looked at several nearby company-owned retail stores, doing stocking and shelving work. I've only had time to do the online applications today, but I've filled out absolutely none of those because it goes based off of specific openings, there is no 'any' position to fill so I have to go in-person and get applications. But I'm really just confused, some places tell you to go online to fill out an application but I can't even so much as find a form  :-X. I know what I want to do and thats preferably any non-social position such as stocking, bagging groceries, etc. I'm not looking to mainly be a cashier if I can avoid it. I've just been so frustrated by the online applications, I don't have any idea where to start?]

Edit:BTW, I mainly plan on and know that getting a job is pretty much going in yourself and asking to speak to the manager, etc, being assertive with the jobhunt but a lot of the places I'm looking at DO require online application.

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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 07:33:12 pm »

Hmmm....have you considered a career in thievery? OBVIOUS JOKE IS OBVIOUS :P

But seriously it looks like you're doing about all you can given the circumstances. Though you may want to make time to go in person, just in case.
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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 08:06:36 am »

Hi there! I'm a 29-year-old ladyperson with AS as well (or high-functioning ASD if you prefer, labels are not so important methinks). I didn't get my diagnosis until I was 23, so congrats on at least having some answers and a starting point for improvement! It's a good thing.

Everyone's life and situation is different, so I can only tell you a bit of my own story. First off, as of right now, I am fully independent. I live in a country far, far away from where I was born (and from my entire family, which is a good thing in my case). I speak 3 languages. I manage my own visa and all legal paperwork. I have my own apartment and a job I love. Starting in August I'll have two jobs, both part time; one as a teacher (what I do now) and one as a magazine editor in an office. I have a comfortable life and friends who accept me as I am. Sometimes I am dissatisfied with my abilities. I still have meltdowns. I am extremely hypersensitive and I work with loud little kids. I take public transportation to work and am surrounded by strangers for several hours a day. Sometimes I start to shut down. I get angry with myself for not being able to do all the normal things. But in the end, I look at where I am in life and realize that many people with my problems (I also have bipolar I and probably narcolepsy) would never move away from their parents. You gotta work with what you've got.

When I was a teenager, things were not good. I was alone, the world was wrong, I was constantly told that everything I did was wrong and that it was my own fault. I had zero support and no answers. I was terribly depressed. All through university this continued. I was smart and academically successful, so no one wanted to admit that my social and sensory issues were not my own fault or my own choice. I also had an abusive mother and a thoroughly unsupportive family who bullied me every day. It was not good.

The solution for me turned out to be to just get the hell out of there. This was the hardest, scariest thing I've ever done. Part of it was luck. I had a teacher in college who held me accountable. She helped me find a position in a boarding school in Switzerland where I'd be cleaning and babysitting and maybe teaching a bit in exchange for room and board. She made sure I submitted the application. She didn't let me make excuses.

In the end, that was the start of a new life for me. I will never move back to America. I live in Prague now. Thanks to that teacher, and the people I met along the way who helped me learn social skills, basic life skills like cooking and cleaning, and helped me learn to do things even though they are scary, understanding that it is okay to make mistakes, that I will learn as I go, that really I can do anything once I decide to just do it... Now I have this life.

America is a rough place for autistic people, assuming you live there. If you're never traveled, I highly recommend you do that. Just to see how completely different the atmosphere is in different places. How people just accept you and don't expect you to be "normal" and don't see why "normal" has any value whatsoever.

I can't tell you exactly what the right path for you is. You are welcome to try applying for the position I did in that school ("Helper"). They hire a new group of kids every year, usually high school graduates who are taking a year off before they go to college, but I think the requirements are pretty loose. Have a look at the school (it's amazing, really it is) and imagine waking up to that mountain view every morning.

Or consider joining Habitat for Humanity or the Peace Corps or something like that for a year or two. It would be terrifying, but the key to breaking out of where you are now is to actually experience something completely different. It is possible to change things without such drastic measures, but it's far more difficult and takes a lot longer.

If you do decide to take a big leap like that, just remember to take it one step at a time. Focus on what you need to do RIGHT NOW rather than letting yourself get overwhelmed. Have people keep you accountable and not let you procrastinate until it's too late. After it's all done, you will be a stronger person, you will understand yourself better, you will feel in control. Maybe you will decide to move back home and get a job stocking shelves, but at least you'll know for sure that it's really what you want, not just what you felt was your only choice. You have a choice in what to do with your life!

If you have sensory problems, be careful about working in retail. I did that for 2 years and it was just awful. The lights, the noise, the people. Unexpected things happening all the time, and low pay to boot. Feel free to try it, just be prepared for that. Other good ways to make money include things like elance.com, if you have writing or computer or graphic skills. It is critical to try new things, though, or you will never discover the thing you're best at. In Switzerland I discovered that I have a talent for teaching that I never would have known about otherwise, and now I'm a very successful teacher with a job that I love, that leaves me enough free time to recharge my batteries and relax in silence. If I had stayed in retail, stocking shelves and shrugging off crazy ideas like leaving the country for a year, I'd still be back there, stocking shelves, depressed, living with my mother, hating life, being alone.

Regarding visualization, I'd also caution you about that. It turns out that when we visualize ourselves succeeding in something, our brain treats it as though we have already succeeded, and we lose our motivation to actually succeed. Science says so. Better to do than to imagine.

A better route for trying to develop yourself and discover who you are and what you want to be, in my opinion, is through philosophy. A martial art (tai chi in my case, kung fu or karate or tae kwon do or any other one would also work) will teach you to control your own body and grow your confidence. Find a good teacher, though. If the teacher is focusing on fighting or power, it's not a good teacher. A good one will teach you how your body and mind are connected and help you to discover yourself. If you are religious, you can study your religion for inspiration. In my case, I have developed my own philosophy over the course of many years. I take a lot of inspiration from Vulcan philosophy. Yes, it's a fictional thing, but it has a lot of wisdom and has helped me a lot in my life. I also do a lot of "brain hacking," learning how our brains actually process information and emotions and manipulating those things to make myself happier overall.

Cracked.com has a lot of great articles that helped me a lot. Here are some great ones. They're funny, which is a good bonus, but also accurate.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-youre-accidentally-making-everyone-hate-you/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/
http://www.cracked.com/article_15231_7-reasons-21st-century-making-you-miserable.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_18544_how-the-karate-kid-ruined-modern-world.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_17061_reminder-5-things-you-think-will-make-you-happy-but-wont.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-most-useless-pieces-advice-everyone-gives/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-news-looks-worse-than-it-really-is/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-popular-beliefs-that-are-holding-humanity-back/

That's just for starters. There's loads more. I've gotten more inspiration from that web site than from almost anywhere else when it comes to understanding and improving myself and my life.

Okay, long rambly post over. The biggest piece of advice I can give you, after all that, is not to run away from things because they are uncomfortable or scary. All humans do that to an extent, autistic people WAY more, but it will keep you in an unhappy place forever. Find some way, any way, to force yourself to just DO stuff, even if that requires getting someone else to give you a push. Your life will get better.

You're still young, and there's plenty to look forward to. Feel free to send me a PM if you ever need any more specific advice. I'll do my best to help. : )

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Re: A Deficit in Abstract Thinking?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 08:17:53 am »

You could do some organised activities in the evenings, after a while you get to know people. Even if its something you're not used to, you may end up liking it if you give it a try.

Anyway have this:

"The emperor of the Southern Seas was Lickety, the emperor of the Northern Sea was Split, and the emperor of the Center was Wonton. Lickety and Split often met each other in the land of Wonton, and Wonton treated them very well. Wanting to repay Wonton's kindness, Lickety and Split said, 'All people have seven holes for seeing, hearing, eating, and breathing. Wonton alone lacks them. Let's try boring some holes for him.' So every day they bored one hole [in him], and on the seventh day Wonton died."
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 08:18:09 am »

I'm just curious, why do I get a lack of response?
If I can be honest, reading your opening post and thread title I didn't quite get what you were trying to convey. Your words are quite mystifying to me! Can't quite understand what you need help with, other than general 'dealing with stuff'?

I mean I could go by your being diagnosed with AS and aproximate what might be your problem but I hate it when people are reduced to a label so I won't. So yeah I don't know, can't wrap my head around it.

P.S. Myself diagnosed by slight autism at some point. But that person was an idiot so meh.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2014, 11:22:33 pm »

Yea, I'll try and get back and give some responses tomorrow. I have a interview tomorrow at a drive-in fast food place as a carhop, which doesn't involve manning a cash register or anything really serious like that..I'm just gonna try and improve from the last one I went to, that was, ironically, McDonalds. Got way too overwhelmed at the time, and that day. Doesn't mean I can't go back again, but I greatly appreciate the responses. I'm not sure why but the last two days have been hell..I havn't been talking, even around my house, or to my roomates. Constant thought is dominating my mind, but I've done that once too many to let that end up being a bad thing. It just sucks-I havn't mentioned this, but let me go into a little more detail in what short time I have about my life...