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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Also, yes the electoral college really needs to go. It was designed in a time when there wasn't even telegraphs if I remember correctly.

The Morse telegraph was invented in 1837, and the US Constitution was ratified in 1788, so yes.

[Duuvian]

Thanks MetalSlimeHunt; you're my Commander Spock in this instance. I love it when people do that.

Another thing to think about would be how important mass media would be in a true popular vote. There would probably need to be well written rules governing how money and position and media can influence an election. After all if all everyone knows are lies; then the liar wins.

[Kilroy the Grand]

The last three or 4 pages happened because I decided to play devils advocate.

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[RedWarrior0]

The last three or 4 pages happened because I decided to play devils advocate.

Now play to win.

Also, how do we know that you just didn't feel like facing the humiliation of defeat but had enough sense to see that you had lost?
Oh, wait, this is the internet. That would be silly.

[Leafsnail]

At times like these you just post whattrollswantyoutothink and move on.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

We are all aware the President of Iran has no power and therefore any illegality in the voting process is rather irrelevant, correct? A cocker spaniel could steal the election and produce the same results as good old The-Holocaust-Didn't-Happen Mahmoud. The Theocratic council/Republican Guard and the Supreme Ruler are the ones we should be targeting. Not frivolous attempts to 'make voting in Iran fair' by streamlining voting and making it adhere to international standards, because their elected officials have no actual power. That entire concept and line of thought would require an entire reorganization of Iran's government, something the US has a very poor track record in doing.

But then again, that's really not why the US is meddling so much and the hawks are screeching like they are, as stated before the United States doesn't give a damn about the Persian people, and anyone that says otherwise is a fool. We are simply addicted to starting shit with countries. Sometimes they deserve it, other times not. I can see the outcome of this one be similar to when we decided a certain Shah was a good thing to support. Then we've just got a theocracy again thanks to a hijacked revolt.

I'm also convinced we're being pushed so hard because the Evangelicals are really banking on that Iran-Israel apocalypse for Jesus to show up.

[RedWarrior0]

as stated before the United States doesn't give a damn about the Persian people,

I think it's more that the people who speak for the United States don't give a damn about the Persian people.

[Neonivek]

Come to think of it.

Is it even possible to fake the holocaust? I realise there are a few people (well a lot) of people who say it is a conspiracy... but what would go into actually pulling off something like that?

We do have computer records from the time and documents that could be confirmed to be genuin. I realise that the other evidence has long since been destroyed due to good taste, but that can't be the only measure of authenticity.

[LordSlowpoke]

We are all aware the President of Iran has no power and therefore any illegality in the voting process is rather irrelevant, correct? The Theocratic council/Republican Guard and the Supreme Ruler are the ones we should be targeting. Not frivolous attempts to 'make voting in Iran fair' by streamlining voting and making it adhere to international standards, because their elected officials have no actual power.

But then again, that's really not why the US is meddling so much and the hawks are screeching like they are, as stated before the United States doesn't give a damn about the Persian people, and anyone that says otherwise is a fool. We are simply addicted to starting shit with countries. Sometimes they deserve it, other times not. I can see the outcome of this one be similar to when we decided a certain Shah was a good thing to support. Then we've just got a theocracy again thanks to a hijacked revolt.

I'm also convinced we're being pushed so hard because the Evangelicals are really banking on that Iran-Israel apocalypse for Jesus to show up.

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Ahem. My personal opinion is that just about the entire American ruling class has a vested interest in egging the hawks on, since wars and international hostility in general have a tendency to distract the populace from domestic problems~ That's me, though. Could write you a fine paragraph on how terrorism is actually successful since it already managed to replace freedom with security as the number one value in the US and democracies that follow them, but I'll spare this thread the rambling.

[mainiac]

If he had no power then why would they have bothered to rig the office?  The office has a bully pulpit and that gives it a lot of power.  Look no farther then the US.  On paper the president has precisely zero authority to craft legislation.  In practice the White House is the principle driver of the congressional agenda.  Even though in theory there are lots of people who hold power of Ahmadinejad the stature of the office and the way it can induce others to office actually matters quite a bit.  It's not like he's the queen of England where if he speaks about real policy people politely nod their heads.

Furthermore the election of Mousavi would have had the practical effect of greatly weakening the clerical council's powers even though they would have stayed the same on paper.  His popular support would have greatly curtailed their authority over him.  It would have been a fragile situation with analogues to many places throughout history.  It would not just have been "well on paper the clerics can veto him at will."

Anyone who thinks the US is egging people on really hasn't been paying attention.  The Obama administration has gone to great lengths to not call the 2009 elections fraudulent, even after the governing council admitted that they were.  Not every last thing in the world revolves around America.

[RedWarrior0]

Right, Europe, Asia, and the sun revolve around the world, and the planets revolve around the sun, but the world revolves around America.

[Virex]

So, erm, people have been debating a lot about what the Iranian people want, and if economic sanctions or other measures align with those goals. Has someone ever thought about asking, for example, members of the Iranian opposition what they actually want?

[Loud Whispers]

So, erm, people have been debating a lot about what the Iranian people want, and if economic sanctions or other measures align with those goals. Has someone ever thought about asking, for example, members of the Iranian opposition what they actually want?

What a silly idea

[RedWarrior0]

So, erm, people have been debating a lot about what the Iranian people want, and if economic sanctions or other measures align with those goals. Has someone ever thought about asking, for example, members of the Iranian opposition what they actually want?

Sure. I'll wait till you get back to me on that one.