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quarague

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dwarven adventurer
« on: March 13, 2012, 01:59:00 pm »

I just started an adventurer who is a dwarf and thus started in a dwarfen civ. Nevertheless all the towns /forts/etc in the vicinity are human only, I haven't seen a single dwarf yet. Strange, but the main problem is, there is not a single piece of armor in dwarf size to be found. Where do you get armor for dwarven adventurers?
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 02:02:56 pm »

From raiding goblins, if you did some research, you would have known that dwarven forts do not exist.
Human towns sell humansized only.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 02:54:14 pm »

you can modify the files to make them have cites though go to raw than objects open entity_defult.txt and change [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED] to [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 03:00:14 pm »

Even then, there is a problem, however - clothing sizes are very wonky, since they are built to the size of the maker, and all items default to human size currently.  This means even a dwarven city will still have shops that sell human-sized goods.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 04:06:15 pm »

If it makes you feel better, you can retire at a non-existant mountainhome and have your adventurer migrate to your fort.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 02:05:59 am »

Yeah, at this point the best way to  get good dwarf weps and armor is to find old forts and lewt them.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 02:23:16 am »

I can't understand why people don't understand there are not dwarven, elven or goblin settlements right now.

And I've found night troll lairs good for small-sized armor searching.

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you can modify the files to make them have cites though go to raw than objects open entity_defult.txt and change [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED] to [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]

Does that affect to history? If I just change cities for every race, would everything in wars and battles and politics during world gen happen just normally?
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 03:11:58 am »

I can't understand why people don't understand there are not dwarven, elven or goblin settlements right now.

Because they don't know?
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 05:07:46 pm »

I can't understand why people don't understand there are not dwarven, elven or goblin settlements right now.

Because they don't know?
The only way I can see someone not knowing is if all the following are true:
1. They have never played adventure mode before.
2. They have never been on the forums before.
3. They have never been on the wiki.
4. They have never read the devlog, bug reports, or future plans.

This is one of the most basic bits of knowledge about the game, short of "You control dwarves in Fortress mode".
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 08:37:03 am »

This is one of the most basic bits of knowledge about the game, short of "You control dwarves in Fortress mode".

Wow, that's a little bit of an overstatement. I think it would actually be pretty easy to not know this, as you don't have to go anywhere near other settlements in adventurer mode and I hardly see anything about it anymore on the forums. And those other two points, but I never come across it on the wiki and, well, I guess you're right on the fourth one.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 09:09:58 am »


The only way I can see someone not knowing is if all the following are true:
1. They have never played adventure mode before.
2. They have never been on the forums before.
3. They have never been on the wiki.
4. They have never read the devlog, bug reports, or future plans.

after playing another adventurer in a different world I saw quite a few dwarfes running around in human cities and some were hireable soldiers (that wear dwarven equipment a dwarf adventurer could use if they happen to die)
there was even some dwarven equipment in the fortress below town, along with dwarf skeletons, although it was mostly clothing not armor

that knowledge would have been a lot more useful as a response to my initial question
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2012, 09:48:29 am »

This is one of the most basic bits of knowledge about the game, short of "You control dwarves in Fortress mode".

Wow, that's a little bit of an overstatement. I think it would actually be pretty easy to not know this, as you don't have to go anywhere near other settlements in adventurer mode and I hardly see anything about it anymore on the forums. And those other two points, but I never come across it on the wiki and, well, I guess you're right on the fourth one.
well the wiki got revamp for 34 and kinda dump all info on 31. somewhere.
but 31.xx wiki does state adventure mode dwarven homes don't exist.


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Note: As of version [31].25, only humans have civilization sites.

Elves live out in the forest, literally. Although defined to specific regions on the map, they have no structural wealth whatsoever. Some trees are named.

Dwarves live underground. Their entrances are large square pits with stairs around the perimeter, and a row of leading down into the fortress halls at the bottom. The main halls are wide and have pillars near the walls, long and occasionally turn corners. Different levels in the fortress are marked by a row of ramps with two pillars on the side (walk towards the side of the ramp that has the pillars) and, although the number of floors in a fortress can vary, they are usually little and only become deep if the lay of the land above is variable. There are two-tile-wide hallways, empty 5x5 rooms, and scant Dwarves in these pre-fab fortresses. It's obvious the computer is playing a completely different game than you are in Fortress mode!

Goblins live in obsidian towers, usually found built in twos, though they both don't necessarily have to be built up. One could be a "tower," one could be an over-glorified "basement." There is probably a temple nearby, completely similar to human temples. Goblin towers have tight 1-wide hallways, spacious and empty rooms, and strange hall extensions that end in remote cross-like dead-ends. Like dwarf fortresses, there is rarely anything in a Goblin tower asides from Goblins, and they have a strange tendency not to attack non-Goblin visitors. They seem to have lots of children.

You may come across what the map defines as a "Goblin" city that is actually populated by Humans or Dwarves living in or around the towers.
okay this kinda doesn't say word by word that dwarven homes don't exist but it's noted that only humans kinda exist. also the part about never been on the forums before kinda leads to either
A. the person search by search function
B. the person search by paging through manually looking for a thread on the subject.
C. didn't search at all look at the front page.

I think 1. means they never played 31.xx which unless you modded or gen a world where dwarves fought humans which lead to them taking over a human settlement.
But yeah overstatement.
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2012, 02:32:42 am »

This is one of the most basic bits of knowledge about the game, short of "You control dwarves in Fortress mode".

Wow, that's a little bit of an overstatement. I think it would actually be pretty easy to not know this, as you don't have to go anywhere near other settlements in adventurer mode and I hardly see anything about it anymore on the forums. And those other two points, but I never come across it on the wiki and, well, I guess you're right on the fourth one.
well the wiki got revamp for 34 and kinda dump all info on 31. somewhere.
but 31.xx wiki does state adventure mode dwarven homes don't exist.

Oh yeah, I know it's on there, I just meant that it's something you might not come across.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 06:39:00 am »

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you can modify the files to make them have cites though go to raw than objects open entity_defult.txt and change [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED] to [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
Does that affect to history? If I just change cities for every race, would everything in wars and battles and politics during world gen happen just normally?

No, they do exist in the world, there just are no houses or anything on the location of those cities in adventure mode. Though in the link earlier some other things were edited too and the kobolds became a sort of war machine conquering the world. I ran a few edited world gens and aside from suddenly seeing a lot of hamlets instead of the tree-cities and such nothing changed. It did cause some confusion in adventure mode when you think you walk into a friendly village only to find it full with hostile goblin snatchers. Well, at least they won't be bothering my future forts.
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Re: dwarven adventurer
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 04:32:32 pm »

Update the name of the game: "Dwarf Fortress/Human Roguelike" :P
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