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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2011, 01:28:48 pm »

Wow, bad physic at work? Bad physic at work!

I don't know how to phrase it, or where to begin, but it doesn't work like that.
I think most of us are aware of that, and are just joking around.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2011, 01:29:27 pm »

Oh G-Flex, you just can't get over it, huh.

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2011, 01:39:30 pm »

Theoretically that would turn the object into a string of particles.  Theoretically, you shouldn't add mass at the speed of light... bad particles...bad
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2011, 01:41:10 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
Baseless assumptions, we don't actually have a clue what would happen.
They most certainly have a base. That base being relativistic physics. It's the same reason why you can't accelerate to the speed of light using any sort of known physics. It's why, based on neutrino flavor oscillations, they can say it is likely neutrinos have mass of some sort.

A massless particle constantly moves at the speed of light. Based on the equations for relativistic time dilation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Time_dilation_due_to_relative_velocity
When v = c, you get 1/sqrt(1-1) = 1/sqrt(0) = 1/0, which based on calculus is equal to infinity. For every unit of time passing within the spacecraft, an infinite number pass outside of the spacecraft. As such, time outside the spacecraft has no effect on the spacecraft, and it ceases to experience time. No sort of 'internal clock' on such a craft would ever tick, even once, over the course of the entire history of the universe.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2011, 01:45:41 pm »

Hahaha, oscillations of flavour. Next you're going to tell me that quarks conserve strangeness and black holes have no hair.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2011, 01:48:10 pm »

Moving at the speed of light, as all massless particles constantly do, also renders you effectively immune to the effects of time. Or to put it another way, you aren't getting back out again once you go in and turn your spacecraft into a zero mass object.
Baseless assumptions, we don't actually have a clue what would happen.
They most certainly have a base. That base being relativistic physics. It's the same reason why you can't accelerate to the speed of light using any sort of known physics. It's why, based on neutrino flavor oscillations, they can say it is likely neutrinos have mass of some sort.

A massless particle constantly moves at the speed of light. Based on the equations for relativistic time dilation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Time_dilation_due_to_relative_velocity
When v = c, you get 1/sqrt(1-1) = 1/sqrt(0) = 1/0, which based on calculus is equal to infinity. For every unit of time passing within the spacecraft, an infinite number pass outside of the spacecraft. As such, time outside the spacecraft has no effect on the spacecraft, and it ceases to experience time. No sort of 'internal clock' on such a craft would ever tick, even once, over the course of the entire history of the universe.

Is true.  The thinking exercises we did in uni showed that near lightspeed and lightspeed travel does some really weird stuff.  Time dilation exercises were always so much fun.

You have to remember that current theories posit time and space as aspects of a single thing - spacetime - like an XYZT graph in which all axis are directions that can be traversed.  Plus, this has been demonstrated.  Who was the scientist who set off a pair of time-matches clocks moving at different speeds, I think one may have been orbiting the planet?  And when they brought both clocks back, there was a small but statistically significant difference in the time registered by each one.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2011, 01:57:25 pm »

Einstein and his Theory of Relativity.

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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2011, 02:09:57 pm »

Time dilation isn't a paradox it is absolute.  People just have logic issue
« Last Edit: January 05, 2011, 02:34:45 pm by nordak »
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2011, 02:18:30 pm »

Isn't matter travelling backwards through time in fact antimatter?
no. no it's not.

Antimatter is when it has the opposite properties, like a an electron with positive charge (called a positron) circling a proton with a negative charge (don't know what this is called), thus making like hydrogen, but opposite. If it touches real hydrogen, the particles collide and make energy (waves I think? light?), and annihilate themselves.
I know what antimatter is.  >:(

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Antimatter is the opposite of matter. It has the same mass but with an opposing electrical charge. One theory about why antimatter exists was developed by John Wheeler and Nobel laureate Richard Feynman based on the idea that physical systems should be time-reversible. For example, the orbits of our solar system, if played backwards, should still obey all the same rules as when they are played forwards. This led to the idea that antimatter is just ordinary matter going backwards in time, which would explain why antiparticles have an opposite charge, since if an electron is repelled while going forwards in time, then backwards in time this becomes attraction. This also explains why matter and antimatter annihilate. This isn’t a circumstance of two particles crashing into and destroying each other; it is the same particle suddenly stopping and going back in time. In a vacuum, where a pair of virtual particles are produced and then annihilated, this is actually just one particle going in an endless loop, forwards in time, then backwards, then forwards, and so on.

While the accuracy of this theory is still up for debate, treating antimatter as matter going backwards in time mathematically comes up with identical solutions to other, more conventional theories. When it was first theorized, John Wheeler said that perhaps it answered the question of why all electrons in the universe have identical properties, a question so obvious that it is generally ignored. He suggested that it was just one electron, constantly darting all over the universe, from the Big Bang to the end of time and back again, continuing an uncountable number of times. Even though this idea involves backwards time travel, it can’t be used to send any information back in time, since the mathematics of the model simply doesn’t allow it. You cannot move a piece of antimatter to affect the past, since in moving it you only affect the past of the antimatter itself, that is, your future.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2011, 02:28:54 pm »

Time dilation isn't a paradox it is absolute.  People just have logic issues.

Also, the wiki seems suggest that the person would be able to notice its affects while in motion or at high gravity.  This is unlikely.

Well, no. To the light-speed light traveller, the outside world stands still whilst he zips by.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2011, 02:38:27 pm »

Yes, but you would experience time as it is at your velocity/gravity. Just noted that some paragraphs are misleading.  I agree with you.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2011, 03:07:27 pm »

I don't know if it's such a good idea to remove the Higgs field (not the Higgs particle, that's just a side effect of the Higgs field at high energy levels). Weird things could happen, and I don't mean the possibilities for moving at light speed. For an example, the repulsive interaction between neutrons we see in neutron scattering is mediated by Z and W bosons, and the effective range at which they interact is determined by how long it takes for such a boson to decay. Remove their mass and they become stable, meaning neutron scattering starts behaving as a quadratic force similar to electromagnetism. This would completely change the bond strength of any solid matter due to repulsive interactions between the neutrons in the nuclei of that material...
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2011, 09:19:12 pm »

The matter would no longer be Saved and it would go to Hell  :'(
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2011, 09:21:04 pm »

The matter would no longer be Saved and it would go to Hell  :'(
Well if this is true there is an upside. We'll have finally proven the existence of hell and, by extension, heaven and god and all that.
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Re: The God Particle and it's removal
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2011, 09:24:27 pm »

It would be rather creepy if we ripped the god particle out some atoms, and they started screaming vibrating and some sulfur was generated out of nowhere.
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