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Re: Meat
« Reply #255 on: December 06, 2009, 04:36:57 am »

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I heard that getting shot by a bullet can be quite painless, because 1) the pain is too great and basically numbs itself and 2) we don't have a lot of sensory data near our major organs to know that we're dying from gunshot wounds. So we only feel pain from the ruptured skin and some of the muscles.
And 3: the bullet travels faster than nerve impulses. By the time pain signals reach your brain, most of it will be splattered against the wall.
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« Reply #256 on: December 06, 2009, 04:38:41 am »

Call me strange, ChairmanPoo, but when he speaks of feeling the pain from a gunshot wound, I don't think he's talking about shots to the brain.


The reasons given previously were pretty much adequate.
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Re: Meat
« Reply #257 on: December 06, 2009, 04:55:07 am »

It's called 'shock' and it's a defensive technique. A bullet wound is so sudden and so violent that the brain gets overloaded by pain signals and just shuts them off entirely; hence why many people who are shot say they experience a sort of numbness.

The pain will come back as the brain starts filtering it out, this can take anywhere from several seconds to several minutes.


Additionally, if you're in a situation where you are likely to be shot, your bloodstream is probably also full of Adrenaline, in which case it is entirely likely you won't feel a thing until the Adrenaline wears off. (Indeed there are reports of people taking well over a dozen bullets to the chest in battle and they kept going for quite awhile, seemingly oblivious. One report from WWI was from a man who witnessed one of his comrades charge across no-mans-land straight into MG fire and ran right through it without a break in his stride, he leapt into the enemy trench and bayonetted at least two before he went down. We also have numerous reports from battles all over the place of soldiers taking bullets to extremeties (arms, feet, legs etc) and not noticing until someone else points it out to them. Adrenaline is powerful shit.)

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« Reply #258 on: December 06, 2009, 09:29:53 am »

Painful ww1 meat guns deers cognitive.
Turkeys.

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« Reply #259 on: December 06, 2009, 09:46:36 am »

Yeah, I've read somewhere that people don't really feel pain when they're full of adrenaline, or fear, or something. There are many, many stories about people who break a leg, get an arm eaten, or some potentially fatal injury. They crawl for miles and days into safety, then feel a searing pain and pass out when they actually get rescued.

Apparently, the brain is smart enough not to force you to feel pain when the crippling pain would kill you. Then again, every story about ignoring pain is from people who survive; those who can't ignore it don't live to tell the tale.


If this is about butchering animals, I'm sure you guys know that most of the methods used these days are designed to either knock the animal out and kill them or kill the animal so quickly that they don't feel a thing. Shooting them and watching them bleed might not be as ethical, though.
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« Reply #260 on: December 07, 2009, 05:42:24 pm »

I have a friend whose dad works/owns/whatever a big chicken industry. To kill the chickens they basically taser them first so they can't feel anything, in a special room.
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« Reply #261 on: December 07, 2009, 09:41:04 pm »

I have a friend whose dad works/owns/whatever a big chicken industry. To kill the chickens they basically taser them first so they can't feel anything, in a special room.

Stunning\knocking out animals before slaughter is the industry standard at the moment.

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« Reply #262 on: December 07, 2009, 11:03:11 pm »

Wow. Some of that WWI stuff sounded pretty intense.

At that point, I think that the adrenaline rush needs to be called a Martial Trance.

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« Reply #263 on: December 08, 2009, 05:46:57 am »

Berserker Rage would be more accurate. The 'Martial Trance' (where time seems to slow down, everything becomes clear etc) is actually your brain going into 'overdrive' so to speak. In really bad situations the brain sometimes goes into fight or flight mode; it basically overrides higher brain functions and acts on instinctual lower functions, similar to how reflex actions are decided by the spine rather than the cereberal cortex. The effect is that of 'slowed time', as your decision making process is now substantially faster without the higher brain functions getting involved, so your perception of time seems to slow down.

That conveys an ovbious advantage, it also conveys an ovbious disadvantage; you're not listening to your higher brain functions anymore, logic and reason and all those other handy things go out the window and the monkey grabs the wheel. And sometimes that is a really bad idea.



This is also why soldiers are trained so heavily until things like following orders become instinctual; so that when they invariably go into this state during combat the monkey has the right tools to drive the car.

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« Reply #264 on: December 09, 2009, 10:51:55 am »

I have a friend whose dad works/owns/whatever a big chicken industry. To kill the chickens they basically taser them first so they can't feel anything, in a special room.

Stunning\knocking out animals before slaughter is the industry standard at the moment.

Also, chickens have the nasty habit of running around headless for minutes splattering blood everywhere if you chop their head off.

That conveys an ovbious advantage, it also conveys an ovbious disadvantage; you're not listening to your higher brain functions anymore, logic and reason and all those other handy things go out the window and the monkey grabs the wheel. And sometimes that is a really bad idea.

This is also why soldiers are trained so heavily until things like following orders become instinctual; so that when they invariably go into this state during combat the monkey has the right tools to drive the car.

That's interesting. I guess that's what this ad is trying to convey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geynA-JYDHE
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« Reply #265 on: December 09, 2009, 01:51:27 pm »

I have a friend whose dad works/owns/whatever a big chicken industry. To kill the chickens they basically taser them first so they can't feel anything, in a special room.

Stunning\knocking out animals before slaughter is the industry standard at the moment.

Also, chickens have the nasty habit of running around headless for minutes splattering blood everywhere if you chop their head off.

I believe one managed to have no head for quite a long time.
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« Reply #266 on: December 09, 2009, 03:51:40 pm »

I have a friend whose dad works/owns/whatever a big chicken industry. To kill the chickens they basically taser them first so they can't feel anything, in a special room.

Stunning\knocking out animals before slaughter is the industry standard at the moment.

Also, chickens have the nasty habit of running around headless for minutes splattering blood everywhere if you chop their head off.

I believe one managed to have no head for quite a long time.
Yep, 18 months
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
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« Reply #267 on: December 09, 2009, 06:15:51 pm »

That happens if you manage to miss certain base parts of the brain. You wind up with a chicken that has all of its higher function gone, but a lot of its autonomy intact.
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« Reply #268 on: December 10, 2009, 09:23:20 am »

A bit like big brother contestants.
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