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[LegoLord]

Yeah.  The last Lord of the Rings (extended edition - I need a whole day off to watch it) is long.  Transformers ain't that long.

[Tormy]

^ Yeah, the extended edition of part 3. is like 250 minutes. This is not the only difference ->  RotK is much better. 
[..and I liked Transformers 2. also, but it's nowhere near as good as Return of the King, or any of the LotR movies. This is my personal opinion of course.  ]

[Strife26]

Just got back from the movie. Spoilers ahead!

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All in all I enjoyed it.
It was a pretty long movie (although, thankfully, it did not drag on as some parts of LOTR did).

I have to agree with Howard Taylor in his assesment that it despretaly needed a rifftrack. I provided one for the theature. No one got that annoyed until I started laughing uncontrollably.

Two major issues with it.
1) Humor
2) Salvation War Principle flopping.

First, humor. It largely sucked. Humping robot? How the flying fuck did that make it into the movie? Humping dogs? Twice?! Some this is awkward jokes are okay, but they WAY overdid them. The Mexican kid could have been cut entirely, as well as the inflinitrate the space museum (which made no sense, by the way, especially when they SPECIFICALLY MENTION GOING TO WASHINGTON!?!!?! AND THEN BUST ONTO A FIELD OF C130's!!!) should have been toned down, as well as the Sector 7 chap. I know it's for kids, but the movie WAS NOT made as such. Blowing up an ENTIRE AIRCRAFT CARRIER WITH ALL HANDS LOST IS NOT KID SAFE STUFF! They shouldn't have understated it enough. I would've liked one of the dogs to die in the first scene, btw.

2) Salvation War Principle. I'll be creating the trope page sometime, but here's the idea. Big scary otherworldly enemy shows up. BUT, he can get blasted by good old American firepower. There might be 'magic,' but generally only in unexplained technology. The movie went back and forth between NEST (which, if memory serves is an already used acronym for nuclear types) being able to smash the bots to only Optimus being able to do shit. I called bullshit (quite loudly) at the end when the SUPER-EVIL-BADDER-THEN-MEGATRON-THING used a force pull to destroy a bunch of stuff. Stick to army sucks, or army can do stuff.

Then we have assorted plot elements that didn't really work, and the very many military nonsensicalities (wow, great job giving your mission briefing WHILE YOUR BEING SHOT AT!!!!). I won't rag on either until I can go over it bit by bit on DVD. Which I will be buying, if only to watch with my dad when he gets back.

One thing that pissed me way the hell off. After the carrier is destroyed (which has some problems in and of itself), the straw man says that diplomatic options would be pursued. That is complete bullshit. They murdered a LARGE number of US military troops (I kinda wanted to say seamen, but didn't), not to mention the sub. We'd be dusting off the tactical nukes, not seeking diplomatic solutions.

Conclusion: Fun movie (Salvation War, fuck yeah!), but had enough errors to continually break suspension of belief and immersion.

[userpay]

The thing about the army accually being effective in this movie might be "realistic" because I remember that one scene when starscream mentions that if they don't get more energon the hatchlings will keep dieing. This relates because I don't recall any of the even semi-important deceptacons getting owned by the humans (cept for the big combining one with the rail gun for obvious reasons) and that maybe the generic deceptacons were weaker than they should have been due to lack of energon.

[Zangi]

Anti-armor and high-explosive rounds, these soldiers were specifically equipped and trained to fight Deceptacons...  Ya know... they hunt em.
They arn't like regular army trained and equipped to fight other regular army.

Yea, the deceptacons sucked.  Most of em... just seemed...  stupid.  As in IQ stupid.  Mindless and what-not.

The deceptacons could've.. you know... done better... without the prime guy.

Also, the movie was better then expected. I had abysmal expectations...

[Blargityblarg]

I'm not going to watch it. It falls alongside Twilight in my 'too-bloody-irritating-to-sit-through-despite-my-'know-thine-enemy'-attitude'

My friend is like 'Hey! Transformers 2!'.

If exasperated glares could a) kill and b) be transmitted over the internet, he'd be a grinning skull.

You guys all have problems with the plot and stereotypes and such.

I just hate it when something's overadvertised.

[Kagus]

I'm sorry, but y'all lost me at "Giant talking space robots from Mars that turn into trucks and follow idiotic morals for no known reason".

Look, I like watching stuff blow up just as much as the next guy, and even though I'm not a robot buff I do enjoy seeing large constructs getting ripped to shreds for my amusement.  But this is just wrong.  I mean, you're arguing realism and plot stability in a movie about Good Robots punching Bad Robots for the sheer machismo of it?

If I want to watch mindless action, I'll reinstall SMod:Tactics and load up the combine AI test map.  No speeches, just people shooting at each other and throwing the occasional grenade.  And I can shoot watermelons at them whenever I damn well feel like it, too.


I'm astonished that an idea as blatantly pipe-dream inspired as transformers managed to get such popularity.  If someone would like to explain the error of my ways to me, I'd be more than happy to listen as to why the "Volkswagens for Truth and Liberty" movement holds real merit as an organization.

[userpay]

Hmm maybe they should do a mechwarrior movie... they did really good robot cgi or whatever the animation type was called.