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[pisskop]

Hello!

Im currently tossing about some ideas for alternative species for the overworld civs.

Spoiler: To clarify (click to show/hide)

 in entity.txt, where it asks for a creature:, you can add more than one creature and the game will randomly pick one for each instance of that civ generated.
I.E.  If I go to the goblin civ data, and add [CREATURE:REPTILE_MAN] or [CREATURE:KEA_GIANT] I can add those creatures to the list.  Say the game gens 4 [ENTITY:EVIL] civs.  It will randomly pick form that list 4 times and use the creatures it picked to make a civ out of (regardless of how appropriate the creatures are, so I assume )

I would like input about alternative civs.  Say gnomes getting an upgrade to stand in instead of dwarves, or satyrs for elves, or halflings for humans.


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I wonder if you could combine natural creature biome data and civ-entity data to make cultures?  Like make sand-lizards and snow-lizards, both using the same entity data, but controlling their spawn points and expansions using their creature biome data?

[StagnantSoul]

"You're insane! It can never be done! It goes against all that is life itself!"

In other words, it's dwarfy enough to be worth a try. Go, onto the !!science!!

[Neoskel]

If you want different types of cultures/biomes you need to make new entities. Just adding extra creatures to the current entities will share the same values and settlement locations, there isn't that kind of granularity in a single entity.

Also, this is already in vanilla, look at the subterranean animal people entity.

If you're looking for ideas for other races to fit the same niches as current vanilla races... Animal people, animal people everywhere. Orcs, hobgoblins, mind flayers, etc. for gobs; plant people for elves; ogres, giants, cyclopes, catpeople, lizardpeople for humans; Rockpeople, mushroompeople for dwarves.

[pisskop]

Aye, 'tis true that the biome tokens in the creature file had zero bearing on civ placement.  Id still like ideas, though.

Mind flayers make an interesting idea, and as a fairly dark minded person I appreciate the idea.  Im concerned with balance amoung other things . . .
[off to try to make a mind flying interaction now ]

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Im having the most trouble justifying the reason for the replacement.  Mountain civs, actually.  I have a merlock civ, I guess I could just try to make them a second mountain-y race, or even make them completely playable since they by nature do a lot of digging, but they do the tundra/desert thing well . . .  also they are super prolific in the worlds I design.

Gnomes dont need an upgrade, and Ive gotten them with some natural weapon skill/utterances, so they end up more like unofficial kobolds when they spawn.

[StagnantSoul]

Don't let another civ conflict with dwarven mountains. This always causes problems. I had two modded races in the mountains, and it was pure luck based which of the three survived. Sometimes it was dwarves, sometimes it was draconians, sometimes it was the golems.