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[Urist Mc Dwarf]

The darksquids tend to learn fast, which buffs up the normal ones. And how about battledance ,each attack si weaker?

[Armok]

Addressing the issues in the analysis of my contribution and clarifying stuff:

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I'd say that the difficulty of "peace and quiet" rather depends on playstyle in a dungeon full of disobedient creatures constantly attacked by heroes...

The "as warlocks at X level" things is mostly because I don't know the game, and looked up things hastily on the wiki, which talked about things like "When trained to level 2 or more, they occasionally fling fireballs at non-Warlocks that enter their Libraries" which made me assume there was a singular level. Apparently this was a bit hasty of me.

I'd say spellcasting is a skill of the same type as the imp's "mining" skill which requires long periods of researching in the library to level up extremely slowly, and the "potions" level is tied to that as well as maybe the quality of the garden they get ingredients from. The spell list intended is the DK 1 one; getting nothing until fireball at level 4 and proceeding like a warlock (but at a much lower pace) from there. Looking at the spell list the only applicable one is invisibility so simplifying potions to just be stat boosts might be the way to go. By the time a witch gains their first spell their potions already give +4 in a stat, so thats clearly the part progression rate must be balanced on and the spells are more like an awesome factor than useful at the kind of levels things will be by then. I imagined the HP potions more like temporary hit points than healing.

The vagueness of the "minion creation and summoning" is that it depends on what other creatures are in the game. So far it means imps, skeletons, twilight echoes, and possibly shadows. These are generally rituals that require several witches and props that cost gold and/or sacrifices. This also neatly fills out some gaps you pointed out in the other analyses.

Enchanted equipment would probably just be like potions that give smaller buffs (say half wounded down) and take 10x longer to make and require tons of gold but are permanent and can be moved from one creature to another. Maybe also something like the number of witches giving a bonus to any artefact creation the overlord does.

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Yea the minion creation is indeed expensive, in terms of both raw materials, gold, and helper labor. It's more of an "assemble several minions into one powerful one and add some special ability gizmos based of traps" than "create weak minions from nothing" thing. This is also a better place for the "basing creatings power of the creators strenght" thing.

The "awesome physics/engineering" is more for when I come up with some cool thing that's clearly possible with the tools already provided, avoiding "yea but the science to realize that doesn't exist yet". Stuff like redirecting rivers through the enemy dungeon, creating a huge electromagnet powered by a lightning spell, causing a cave in with a well placed fireball, etc.

Yea the scrying is more a tactical and flavor thing than a recognizance spell. Stuff like looking around corners or attacking without having to turn around.

Hope that cleared things up.

[mastahcheese]

Sorry, I didn't realize that I was making them overpowered, I wasn't understanding the way the numbers work in this.
I thought a +2 to something meant that they were average, not exceptional.
Commence de-buffing sequences...

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Name: Dark Dwarves
Appearance: Short, stocky, heavily bearded fellows.
Personality: Chronic alcoholics and artisans, they love being underground, creating masterpieces, and having no recollection of the prior day.
Preferences: Alcohol and Industry.

Default Actions: Building Traps and Doors in the Workshop, or Mining Gold.
Requirements: Some form of alcohol, and a proper workshop with which to create their favorite devices, traps. And a good bunk to pass out on, of course.
Abilities: Tunneling: Dark Dwarves are capable of digging, and carry their own picks.
Master Artisans: Dark Dwarves gain bonuses to building traps, and avoiding the traps of enemies.
Attack: 3 (-1)
Defense: 3 (0)
HP: 4 (+1)

Name: Urist Morulfath
Appearance: A rather typical member of his species, although perhaps slightly bulkier.
Personality: Urist is an avid gambler, and has been known to drink far more than the standard dwarven share of rum. His love of diabolical traps is above all. He loves working with dark Overlords, as they seem to be the only ones who can appreciate his talents, and not complain about his diet.
Preferences: He loves rum, in particular, and games of chance, even more so when money is involved.

Default Actions: Trap making in the Workshop. Gambling. Mining Gold.
Requirements: A large supply of potent drink and gold, and massive stockpiles of spare materials with which to make traps.
Abilities: Tunneling: Urist is capable of digging, and carries his own pick.
Master Artisans: Urist gains bonuses to building traps, and avoiding the traps of enemies.
Nose for Gold: Urist can sense the presence of nearby gold.
Stats You may have stronger or slightly different stats than normal for your kind. Bear in mind that you are likely to accumulate far more power naturally than most NPC versions of yourself, so even without mechanical benefits you're likely to exceed your brethren.
Attack: 3 (0)
Defense: 4 (+1)
HP: 5 (+2)

Is that more acceptable?

[darkpaladin109]

I didn't realize that our creatures need mods. I'l buff the Cyclops slightly, if that's alright for now.

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Creature
Name: Cyclops
Appearance: Gigantic orange skined humanoids with a single eye in the middle of their face and large horn on their head.
Personality: Cyclops are cruel creatures that prefer drinking and eating over most other things. Surprisingly, they make good farmers.
Preferences: Cyclops prefer eating meat, preferabbly those of humans. They also prefer torture and eat their opponents alive if they can. They also tend to their farms whenever they can.

Default Actions: Eating, drinking, eating prisoners alive.
Requirements: Farm area, torture room, very tall ceilings.
Abilities: Good farmers: Cyclops are good at farming, surprising as it is.
Stats:
Attack: 4(+1)
Defense: 3(-1)
HP: 5(+1)


Character
Name: Wegog the Devourer
Appearance: A muscular Cyclops wearing a leather loincloth and armor, made of human leather. He carries a large wooden club with him.
Personality: Wegog is cruel and as his name implies, very hungry.
Preferences: Human meat and byproducts, torturing enemies, drinking, eating.

Default Actions:
Requirements: A torture room, a farm area, a dining hall.
Abilities: Grand farmer: Wegog is good at farming, more so than the rest of his kind.
             Feast: Wegog's urges cause him to eat opponents even during fights.
Stats:
Attack: 6(+1)
Defense: 4(+1)
HP: 7(+1)

[HissinhWalnuts]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... maybe make killing dangerous creatures like adventurers give a large portion of their XP? Also some sanity tweaks.


Name: Shadow
Appearance: A tangible shadow in humanoid form.
Personality: Hungry to kill the nearest 'good' aligned creature.
Preferences: Dark simple areas.

Default Actions: Killing, this can be done with animals, and similar category's.
Requirements: A dark rooms with at least some basic furniture.
Abilities: Reaving souls of almost dead mortals( This will increase their stats and skills in proportion to power of killed mortals so killing a imp isn't going to change him, but a human champion will.), scaring faint hearted by being made of shadows.
Attack: 3(+2)
Defense: 3
HP: 3(-1, I mean come on being made of tangible shadows probably isn't good for strength.)



Name: Miravex
Appearance: A typical tangible shadow in humanoid form, has markings in navy blue to show emotions, etc.
Personality: Bloodthirsty in combat, can act about dwarf fortress dorf level of sanity.
Preferences: Magic powers, people who aren't scared at a glimpse of him ,libraries ,dark rooms to rest in.

Default Actions: (Sane enough to not auto kill animals/lesser minions), help imps if there is nothing to do.
Requirements: A library, source of souls to reave ( Not constant, stuff like humans, animals) ,and a dark room to sleep in.
Abilities: Knows magical abilities that allows itself to harden its matter, makes it rather cocky when it comes to defense though. can also use these abilities to bolster its offense.Reaving souls of almost dead mortals( This will increase their stats and skills in proportion to power of killed mortals), being made of shadows naturally scares the faint hearted.

Attack: 3 (+2)
Defense: 3 (-1)
HP: 5

[Lenglon]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... maybe make killing dangerous creatures like adventurers give a large portion of their XP?

-.-

[HissinhWalnuts]

Just so you know I was actually clearing up my original idea of soul reaving. Its based on one of the undead units from warlord's battle cry 3.

[mastahcheese]

Just so you know I was actually clearing up my original idea of soul reaving. Its based on one of the undead units from warlord's battle cry 3.

Yeah, those reavers got pretty overpowered in that game if you played them right. And actually it was a demon unit, not undead.

[HissinhWalnuts]

3 Factions could use them, all evil. There was three types of them the shadow(best), the reaper(mid), and the wraith. Demons only had reaper, undead had shadow + wraith( wight >wraith>shadow.), and dark dwarves could directly buy shadows.

[mastahcheese]

Oh, I thought only the Reavers could do that. My bad.
But anyway, hopefully I made my Dwarves less powerful, I'd like for them to be a very easy creature to have, and I could debuff them more if needed to do that.

Oh! While I'm thinking of it, what traps do we get? Are we using the ones from DK1 where you normally have to step on them to activate, or can we make stuff like DK2's Sentry Traps, cause those are frelling awesome.

[IronyOwl]

You guys are talking about two different things.

Succubi, a Daemonic unit, could harvest the souls of those they slew, leaving them behind as glowy orange skull things. Daemonic units could then eat these, restoring mana.

Reapers, also a Daemonic unit, could eat them for 20 XP (I believe) instead.

Meanwhile, the Undead had Wraiths, which could upgrade to Shadows. Either, on killing a unit, got both the normal experience for killing a unit, and devoured all of their experience, gaining it straight up. This was particularly hilarious with enemy heroes, as well as the massed weakling Fey unit who gained massive amounts of starting experience as an upgrade.


Anyway, should get back to work soon.

[Lenglon]

*whistles tunelessly*