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[Akura]

Spoiler: Something else I thought of regarding Ch2's end (click to show/hide)

Kris isn't just intending to bring Toriel into a Dark World, they're trying to bring Undyne as well. They slash Toriel's tires knowing she'd call the police, then left the front door ajar. And of course, the police is Undyne(and Napstablook). Who is extremely bored because nothing ever happens in Hometown. So of course she'd jump at the chance to investigate an actual crime. And subsequently would investigate the house because a front door being left ajar in the middle of the night is actually fairly suspicious in this circumstance.

Potentially twice now, Kris tried to report the existence of the Dark World to Undyne, only to be laughed off both times. What better way to prove the Dark World's existence than by pulling her into one? Even better is that Undyne did specifically ask Kris at one point to start an actual problem because she was so bored. Not quite building a bank to rob, but good enough.

[Telgin]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I need to play chapter 1 again because I'd forgotten about some of that, but it does make sense in that regard.  I wasn't sure why Kris would have wanted Undyne in the dark world before.

On the subject of Kris though, I think I'm joining the camp of people who don't think they're the Knight.  For one thing, it seems like the computer lab dark world had to be created after Berdly and Noelle got there, else they probably wouldn't be sitting at the desk when it was sealed.  Kris couldn't have done it if that were the case, and I assume that Kris just created the one in their living room after the Queen informed them that it was possible.  Of course, it does make me wonder why Kris took their soul out at the end of chapter 1 if not to do that, since one doesn't generally remove their soul just to eat pie.

I've also seen some interesting theories that the "large person could hide in here" line about the closet in the computer lab implies that someone else was waiting there and created the dark world after Berdly and Noelle got there.  I initially thought Asgore maybe since he's the definition of a large person, but I saw some convincing theories that it could be Father Alvin based on terminology surrounding the Angel and stuff I don't remember.

I doubt any theorycrafting at this point will really get us the answer, but we'll see.  I don't want to wait years to find out where this story is going...

[Akura]

Spoiler: Still on a second playthrough on my Switch (click to show/hide)

Have it paused right in the middle of the Spamton NEO battle, in fact. He's kicking my ass.

If you ask Spamton in his shop about "Friends", which appears(and replaces) after picking the topic about the Knight, he mentions someone named "Mike", that they're "a criminal", and "you shouldn't believe everything you see on television". Since the third chapter takes place in a television world, could Mike be the name of the third Shadow Gem boss?

It would be an interesting shout-out to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, where one of the kids, Mike Teavee, was a television addict and, in later adaptations, a fan of violent videogames. And was removed from the tour by sending himself to a television world.

[Telgin]

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I assumed that it was just a random joke about Mike Ditka, since supposedly the whole big shot thing that Spamton parrots was based on a commercial about Big Shot Sodas that Mike Ditka starred in, but since it does look like chapter 3 is going to be about TV somehow it seems likely that there will be a connection in some form.

I want to speculate more but I'm sure it'll turn out to be wrong.

[Imic]

I just want to say that I absolutely loved Deltarune chapter 2. Like... Jesus christ, I loved basically everything about it.

I remember that when work on Deltarune was starting I think, Toby warned that he didn't think he was ever going to be able to top Undertale, or make something that made people feel the same emotions that Undertale did. In my opinion, Deltarune so far has done everything Undertale did well... possibly even better. It's genuinely hilarious, it has the same depth of storytelling, it gives the players the same guilt trip over their actions, if not even worse than Undertale did because of the way it's handled differently, the music is as boppin as ever...

Toby Fox went into Deltarune with an enormous amount of experience from Undertale, as well as a reasonable budget, and a production team to help him. I don't wanna heap expectations that can't be met onto the poor guy, but god, I think that Deltarune could easily top Undertale if it keeps going the way it is.

Thank you for coming to my Fangirly TED talk.

[Telgin]

I couldn't agree more and at this point I'll be shocked if Deltarune doesn't end up topping Undertale in every conceivable way.  It's already getting close just 2 chapters in.

Has it been long enough we no longer need spoiler tags?  I think so.

Anyway, Spamton alone is clear evidence that the story is going to be deep, impactful and full of even more mindscrew than Undertale's metafictional elements.  I genuinely felt bad for him in the end, and he was an anthropomorphized spam email of all things.

Now, if we really want to get into stuff that I can't wait to see, it's what happens after Snowgrave.  Part of me feels like somehow we're going to get a twist and it'll go back to Deltarune chapter 1's mantra that our choices don't matter and Berdly will be okay, but maybe Toby has something bigger planned.

And... hmm... I wonder if that's Undertale preaching to me about wanting to see what happens but being too much of a coward to do it myself.

[JimboM12]

nah im getting this feeling the "normal plot" we have little effect over, im talking the normal route where berdly is fine and noelle gains regular self-esteem.

but the weird route feels distinctly like we threw the normal plot off the rails. from the tone, the situations, we basically hijacked the story and the limitations placed on our movements and abilities... by manipulating someone into being our weapon that explicitly uses an ability that bypasses the game; it freezes. enemies can run normally but not when we use snowgrave.

that leads to another thing: we are rescuing less darkners to bring to our town. both i bet have an effect on the plot further down that we just dont know yet.

it also feels wayyyy more evil then undertale's no mercy mode, and i fucking love and dread it.

[Akura]

I'm sure there's going to be something major going forward from that route.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

One of Maleus crafting recipes is for a "Twisted Sword", it requires the Thorn Ring and a "Perfect Crystal". The Thorn Ring is only obtainable in the Snowgrave route. The Perfect Crystal isn't obtainable at all, but my personal assumption is that it's probably what you get for defeating all the of the bonus bosses like Jevil and Spamton NEO(who isn't optional in Snowgrave).

Regarding Berdly, depending on whether he gets Snowgraved, or you beat Queen through FIGHTing or ACTing, Berdly is either dead/coma, paralyzed in the arm, or just fine. Not sure how/if that branch is going to be cut or not.

While looking a few things up on the wiki, I realized something else.

Spoiler: Knight speculation (click to show/hide)

When asking Spamton about the Knight, his reaction is "TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL." This refers to one of Burgerpants' lines in the Genocide route, "I can't go to hell. I'm all out of vacation days." Is it possible that Pizzapants is the Knight?

[Egan_BW]

Hm, about the TwistedSword, I don't think that you can have the ThornRing at the end of chapter unless you do nearly all of snowgrave but don't actually murder Falco. Since to kill him Noelle has to have the ring equipped, and after the fight she immediately leaves the party, which means you don't have the ring any more.

So either in future chapters Noelle joins your party again, or you get the ring back some other way, or the TwistedSword is obtained through that weird method.

[Telgin]

The idea that Snowgrave is throwing the story off its rails is one I've seen suggested in a few places and does seem to fit what we're shown.  I guess if the notion of an unchanging story is a central element to Deltarune, possibly as a subversion of Undertale, allowing the player to change the story as a matter of "breaking" the game would ironically fit.

Spoiler: Knight speculation (click to show/hide)

When asking Spamton about the Knight, his reaction is "TOO MANY EXCESS VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL." This refers to one of Burgerpants' lines in the Genocide route, "I can't go to hell. I'm all out of vacation days." Is it possible that Pizzapants is the Knight?

This is amusing but probably a bit too out there.  Probably.

I thought it would be ironic if it were Asgore, since the closet specifically mentions a large person could hide in it, but... well, I guess we'll see in a few years.

[Egan_BW]

I do enjoy how some of the paths in undertale and deltarune give the feeling you might sometimes get when a rare glitch happens... you did something you're not expected to, and see things you're not supposed to.

[Dorsidwarf]

Spoiler: Possible interpretation of Ch.2 ending (click to show/hide)

No idea on why Kris had to slash her tires, though. But on the other hand, we don't actually know 100% that they did. For all we know, Asgore could have gone full crazy ex-husband.

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Thought it was pretty clear that Kris did it so that Toriel would ask Susie to stay over (And come to their new Dark World) - there's no way Goat Mom would let a kid walk back to the rest of town with someone lurking about and tires slashed!