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[BloodBeard]

There's an attribute cap? So legendary + 5 to all military stats is out of the question... :p

The skill system and the stats system are separate. The stats equivalent of L+5 is 5000.

either 1) there's a cap above what a dwarf starts with. So a weakling can never get to 4k strength, say. And/or 2) stat gain is based on skill gain, and you ran out of skills to gain in.

It's the first. There's a MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC tag that controls how high a stat can go compared to its starting value, and if there's no tag it defaults to [MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC:<all>:200]. This allows for a maximum figure of either 200% of the starting value or the starting value plus the racial median, whichever is greater. There's a matching tag for the physical attributes. This is a very good reason to keep an eye on the agility of potential recruits, since the dwarven median is low. I see dwarves with ~1100 agility moderately often and dwarves with ~200 agility fairly rarely. Those in the latter group will never be significantly faster than those in the former group even if they train for a lifetime and the more agile dwarves don't train at all.

Ah, damned invisi-tags, this makes a lot more sense (and why attribute logging wouldn't detect it unless I checked them at the *perfect* moment).

[Yaotzin]

There's an attribute cap? So legendary + 5 to all military stats is out of the question... :p

The skill system and the stats system are separate. The stats equivalent of L+5 is 5000.

either 1) there's a cap above what a dwarf starts with. So a weakling can never get to 4k strength, say. And/or 2) stat gain is based on skill gain, and you ran out of skills to gain in.

It's the first. There's a MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC tag that controls how high a stat can go compared to its starting value, and if there's no tag it defaults to [MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC:<all>:200]. This allows for a maximum figure of either 200% of the starting value or the starting value plus the racial median, whichever is greater. There's a matching tag for the physical attributes. This is a very good reason to keep an eye on the agility of potential recruits, since the dwarven median is low. I see dwarves with ~1100 agility moderately often and dwarves with ~200 agility fairly rarely. Those in the latter group will never be significantly faster than those in the former group even if they train for a lifetime and the more agile dwarves don't train at all.

Ah I'm glad I wasn't wasting my time selecting dorfs with good starting stats in what I wanted them to be

Are all attributes (physical and mental) 200% or starting+median, or are there exceptions?

[Nan]

Okay I tried out some controlled science. Sealed the starting seven in a chamber with food, booze and seven pumps. Anyway, pumping iron does indeed work. It's pretty slow. Looking specifically at the "laziness" attribute, a dwarf who started out at very quick to tire, became quick to tire at around about accomplished, and some time after becoming legendary, lost the "quick to tire" trait.

Since I'm not using Therapist at the moment (I eh, don't like it much anyway) I can't provide any harder numbers than that. But it definitely works. On the other hand, it's definitely slow as well. Sparring builds attribute MUCH faster. But I can see that if you're going to have your say marksdawrf squads work the airpumps between sieges, then after a few years they should have developed at least some buffness from it, for me personally I don't think it'd be worthwhile "losing" them as haulers/constructors, but each to their own.

edit: Here are the details of each dwarf's attributes before and after

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Before = ~ Granite 31
After = ~ Sandstone 32

Kadol:
Before: She is tough but she is susceptible to disease very slow to heal and extremely quick to tire
After: She is tough but she is susceptible to disease and very slow to heal.

Eshtan
Before: She is very rarely sick but she is slow to heal and weak
After: She is very rarely sick and slow to tire but she is slow to heal and weak

Lorbam
Before: He is mighty and incredibly tough
After: He is unbelievably strong, incredibly tough and very slow to tire

Endok:
Before: He is indefatigable and incredibly tough but he is very slow to heal
After: He is absolutely inexhaustible and incredibly tough but he is very slow to heal

Kol:
Before: She is very slow to tire and rarely sick but she is weak
After: She is absolutely inexhaustible and rarely sick but she is weak

Kikrost:
Before: She is tough but she is very weak and slow to heal
After: She is very slow to tire and tough but she weak and slow to heal

Ducim:
Before: She is incredibly quick to heal but she is susceptible to disease and quite clumsy
After: She is incredibly quick to heal but she is susceptible to disease and quite clumsy


I dunno what happened with Ducim, all the other dwarves showed at least some attribute gain, but not her. Anyone care to speculate why she didn't become at least slow to tire or something? She was a legendary pump operator like the others.