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Quote from: Culise on March 28, 2018, 10:32:53 pm

Quote from: Frumple on March 28, 2018, 08:20:03 am

It is out of date (it was originally written in 1868), and subsequent junk has patched up that sort of stuff. Mostly, at the absolute least.

That said, fixed, yes, ignored, no. Pretty sure the 14th was a fairly notable step up from the situation at the time. Most folks I've noticed suggesting abolishing or ignoring it are pretty incredibly shitty people.

Pretty much.  I pointed out that the precise part that was complained about was fixed a mere...oh, 94 years ago, now.  Heck, it was even conveniently on the very next line trimmed from the quote in the complaint. ^_^

Indeed, since it was my post that apparently triggered this outburst, I can probably go into a bit of detail.  Because it *has* already been fixed, abolishing or replacing the 14th amendment typically boils down to shutting down representation based on population, with the most common replacement to my knowledge being to replace it with representation based on citizenship instead.  The reason Native Americans were so contentious, or perhaps more accurately the fig-leaf for this particular facet of the citizenship argument of that day (it's an old argument), was because Native Americans weren't "just" US citizens, even if they renounced their tribes (according to federal courts in McKay v. Campbell and, nationally, Elk v. Wilkins); they're citizens of their tribes, semi-sovereign entities or "domestic dependent nations" that enter into treaty compacts with the United States government.  The contradictions herein in the US simultaneously treating with native tribes as both sovereign states and non-sovereign territories subject to American rule based on which was more convenient were rather elided over because of the views of the day, and extending the rights of citizenship took until 1924 legally, with the provisions not fully enforced until the courts came down hard in 1948.  However, they did, and they did so without the rigorous requirements of a constitutional amendment.  That's obviously not to say that native tribes live a charmed life today, but the problems therein don't have much to do with the 14th Amendment. 

For sure. A surprising amount of the legal foundation for relations between the United States and Native groups is composed of treaties signed
a good deal more than 100 years ago.

Quote from: ECrownofFire on September 26, 2017, 03:49:16 pm

I've known I've had problems for years, that doesn't mean I've done anything about it.

I'm not asking much of myself. Just go out and talk to people in a group, and actually go there more than a few times. Have a regular sleep schedule, even if it's waking up as late as 11 AM, that's better than waking up at 3 PM. Get to therapy on time once a week. Go out grocery shopping with my food stamps instead of getting delivery which I can't afford. Cook. Do the dishes. Shower more than once every week or two. Do the laundry. Just eat something instead of staring at my laptop screen for an entire day.

I've only asked myself the bare minimum that a 22 year old should be able to handle. A couple of them I'm not a complete failure at. But most of that... If I can't do that, where does that leave me?

try those meetup.com things, there are boardgame nights and the like. They're a good way to get into a group thing, because there's always going to be some group or other who has a spare seat at their game, and even though you feel nervous asking, i 100% guarantee that if you ask to join a game that's below capacity, they're going to welcome you in.

meetup.com is also great if you either don't know anyone in a city or you have social issues, because it's a whole social networking / organized thing focused around actually hanging out with people, so you can use it as a predictable way of having people to hang out with, without needing to put in so much effort and planning yourself.

Quote from: ECrownofFire on September 26, 2017, 10:59:52 am

It's over.

What is?

With a heavy heart I hate to tell you guys that earlier today my family came to the decision to put down Luke due to kidney failure 💔 Luke was a beautiful, kind, cuddly and mellow cat. He loved to sleep in the bathroom sink and on your lap. He would like to lay with me for hours on my bed and purred loud whenever I pet him. 12 years of a wonderful cat and I couldn't be more thankful. Rest In Peace Luke and may there be all the catnip for you in kitty heaven 🐱

Quote from: TempAcc on March 22, 2017, 12:54:07 pm

You mean we're going to dress like mormons and use it as an excuse to knock down ecrownoffire's door with swords?

Yes.

The best dragon is an delicious dragon.