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Author Topic: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test  (Read 12540 times)

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #135 on: February 08, 2012, 02:57:51 am »

If you're going to make your rings, just go to the local Home Depot, Lowes, or Canadian Equivalent, and pick up some galvanized steel, preferably some 16-18g if you can.  Then you can use a metal rod with or without a hand crank - if you get a rod that has two 90 degree angles in it, it makes a perfect crank from which you can wind the rings.  They generally call these "mandrels" when they have a hand crank, I believe.  TRL sells mandrels and rods in a TON of different sizes and styles, with notches, holes, tapered tips to fit into electric drill bits, and hand cranks.  You can build a small spinning rack if you've got a 2x4, saw, and drill.  All you need is a U shape, and then put the mandrel through to make a U shape.

If you're going to buy rings, go aluminum.  It's 1/3 the weight of steel, so you're buying 3x per ounce, and it's cheaper than steel so you're getting more like 3.5x-4x per dollar (or Canadian Equivalent, whatever money it is you use...).  Saw cut rings are much much nicer, but machine cut is cheaper, and if you're just learning how to weave you should probably go cheap and experiment a bit.

Galvy is available in hardware stores, as it's fencing wire and often used for electric fencing.  Aluminum is also available, but this is dirty aluminum and will rub black against skin or clothing.  Don't get it.  Most packages are simple spools, but some have plastic wrap over them, so you can easily touch your finger to it and it will turn immediately black.

Rods are available in hardware stores as well, you might check the concrete department, as they're often used as support rods when people are pouring a concrete foundation for a deck or whatever.  About 3-4 feet long in a small variety of materials, usually $3-4 for a rod and they come in a variety of sizes.  TRL sells a lot more rods with a lot more precision and some chainmail specific additions, such as a notch in the end to put the wire through to make winding easier, labeled size, and a tapered end that will fit into an electric drill for easy spinning.  TRL also sells a TON of very specific sizes in all ranges, from 1/2 and maybe 3/4 down to like 1/32 or maybe even 1/64, often available in package deals as "Jeweler's Rods" or "Armorsmith's Rods" for a given size range.

I personally started with PVC pipe.  1/2" pipe barely fit into my drill head, and after every winding I would have to cut off the tip because the drill's closure would mangle the pipe and ruin it, but I could wind up about 500 rings at a time easily and use that pipe a solid 50 times if I was smart.  Used a drill and a small bit to punch a hole through, slip the wire through the hole, and that made winding a LOT easier.

For size, I generally recommend 18g 1/4" as a starter.  It's a solid size, makes a variety of weaves easily, is big enough that you won't get frustrated with tiny sizes, and is small enough that it doesn't look cumbersome.  In Euro 4-1 it makes a weave that's loose enough to show off the individual rings yet tight enough to hold its composure.  I personally don't go any thicker, 16g looks bulky to me, but I'm making jewelry so I'm not going for thickness.  20g is pretty fun as well, allows for tighter and more flexible weaves, but you may find yourself needing some chain nose pliers instead of traditional wide nose.

As always, consult the youtubes.  You're not the first to ask about this and I'm not the first to answer.

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2012, 12:12:14 pm »

If you're going to make your rings, just go to the local Home Depot, Lowes, or Canadian Equivalent, and pick up some galvanized steel, preferably some 16-18g if you can.
I doubt I will be making my own rings right away, although I'm sure I'd get into it eventually. Thank you for all the information! Just curious, the g in 18g would refer to the diameter of the wire or ring's material portion (gauge?) and not the diameter of the ring overall, correct? Then a measurement afterwards refers to the diameter of the ring overall? Just as clarification.

If you're going to buy rings, go aluminum.  It's 1/3 the weight of steel, so you're buying 3x per ounce, and it's cheaper than steel so you're getting more like 3.5x-4x per dollar (or Canadian Equivalent, whatever money it is you use...). 
Out of curiosity, would copper also be a good starting metal as well? I intent on getting some aluminum ones of course but I admire the colour of copper, more-so bronze and brass, which seem to be more expensive. And a note, the Canadian dollar is called a dollar ;)

For size, I generally recommend 18g 1/4" as a starter.  It's a solid size, makes a variety of weaves easily, is big enough that you won't get frustrated with tiny sizes, and is small enough that it doesn't look cumbersome.
Duly noted!

And thanks again, I may purchase some rings within the month!

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2012, 12:12:49 pm »

Maybe when I get my own place again I'll try my hand at armoring. I've always wanted a forge.
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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2012, 01:08:22 pm »

Copper wire is really quite expensive, but it does come in a lot of different gauges and it's easy to work.

It doesn't really stay shiny for very long, unless you polish it or something... it'll turn brown like a US penny after a few weeks and it'll turn green in a few years.
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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2012, 02:38:42 pm »

Enameled copper is somewhat more resistant, but not overly so.  It's basically covered in plastic.  Can get some fantastic colors with copper, but copper is copper and it really likes to tarnish.  Aluminum, on the other hand, is highly corrosive resistant and very hypo-allergenic, as well as costing less.  Although if you're going for copper I'd say go for bronze.  Nice color and fantastic strength.

Making rings is actually cheaper than buying.  Bolt cutters, PVC pipe, electric drill, and fencing wire.  Assuming you have the cutters and drill already, you've got a $10 budget for thousands of rings.

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #140 on: February 08, 2012, 03:09:11 pm »

Bronze wire is something you'd have to order online or something from a jeweler supply. It'd make decent armor though, it's tough as hell, it's stiff and springy, which would probably make it a pain in the ass to cold work the stuff. You'd probably need a set of compact bolt cutters for 10 or 8 gauge bronze wire.

But making rings is easy. Wrap the wire around a rod and cut down the side of the rod. It's how they made it back then, basically. The hard, tedious part is just putting the rings together.
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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #141 on: February 08, 2012, 03:23:30 pm »

Maybe when I get my own place again I'll try my hand at armoring. I've always wanted a forge.

Check out my Blacksmithing thread. I haven't really had time to update it lately, but there is some good info there. The link is in my sig.
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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2012, 03:28:29 pm »

You'd probably need a set of compact bolt cutters for 10 or 8 gauge bronze wire.
I've never heard of ANYONE using 8 gauge of any material.  Maybe a little bit of 10g for specialty items, but 12 is the thickest I've seen seriously used, and 14 is recognized as armor-worthy.  8 gauge is like, high capacity power cable size.  Or, structural support for a deck or something.  No one uses that for chainmail.

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« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2012, 09:22:46 pm »

Thanks for the tips and whatnot everyone! I've bought the hauberk/coif stainless kit and a few other little bags to play around with! Maybe I'll put up some pictures of me battling terrible demons...

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2012, 03:02:40 pm »

Very cool!  I think it's very brave of you to let Girlinhat swing her axe at you for !!SCIENCE!!
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« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2012, 03:21:45 pm »

The test subject is complete! I will shoot it sometime on the weekend. Hopefully with video.
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« Reply #146 on: February 10, 2012, 04:42:59 pm »

Dunno if anyone has seen it (and not to stop people from trying themselves!) but this guy has done a bunch of chainmail tests with things ranging from swords to bows to air guns. They're quite interesting! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFpkYN-W74
He has more videos on his channel.

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #147 on: February 10, 2012, 09:39:22 pm »

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Re: Poll for Interest: Chainmail Stress Test
« Reply #148 on: February 10, 2012, 10:36:52 pm »

A sheet of mediocre 4-in-1 (made by yours truly) managed to stop a stainless-steel tipped bolt from my homemade crossbow. That said, the crossbow is not very powerful and doesn't even fire most of the time.
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« Reply #149 on: February 11, 2012, 09:53:43 am »

A sheet of mediocre 4-in-1 (made by yours truly) managed to stop a stainless-steel tipped bolt from my homemade crossbow. That said, the crossbow is not very powerful and doesn't even fire most of the time.
From what distance?
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