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[Think0028]

Two things:

1) My role name is Ultragunner.
2) Shake lied about Red Herring and the ability that got removed. He lost his immortality ability when Zrk2 targeted him, and he had no immunity to ability removal. He did have immunity to 'role changes' in the ability that got removed, but clearly that didn't mean much.

[Zrk2]

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[Darvi]

2) Shake lied about Red Herring and the ability that got removed. He lost his immortality ability when Zrk2 targeted him, and he had no immunity to ability removal. He did have immunity to 'role changes' in the ability that got removed, but clearly that didn't mean much.

Wait what? When did that happen?

Also, no action claim?



Toaster, why didn't you point out that losing your kill wouldn't result in losing your other abilities and go straight to calling Urist scum?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster:

Oh, you mean using the removal that will be redirected away from you?  I guess I know who his scumbuddy is.

New info from webadict: My auto does not redirect day actions.

Bookthras:

But the interesting thing is: I inspected Urist Imiknorris last night, and got Mafia.

Ahahaha no.

Urist's kill on Powder Miner is a pretty standard Mafia choice of target, and it was the only kill on N1.

I killed PM because he looked like he was only trying to keep himself out of the noose. That and his lack of a roleflip makes me think he had an advanced-dopp ability which he used N1.

Think: Who did you redirect Zrk2 to N2? You've been avoiding answering this for entirely too long. Who else did you redirect?

Bookthras+Vector: Why so adamant about the existence of a cult? As far as I can see, this game's cult is entirely fictional - one of the "cultists" was unable to have his alignment changed, and the other one could choose his death flip.

[Toaster]

Book:

But Toaster's actions seem intertwined with Urist's (and mine); I can't help but think my temporary track is related to Toaster's claim of having tracked Urist, and his sudden "disappearance of an inspection"... I think they are scumbuddies, managed somehow to detect my inspection, and decided to preemptively strike by claiming an inspection result of scum on me.

This all seems highly speculative.

Why did you block me?


Darvi:

Toaster, why didn't you point out that losing your kill wouldn't result in losing your other abilities and go straight to calling Urist scum?

Eh?  He's saying his auto-redirect would cause my ability to fail on him, contrary to my claim.  I'm calling him a liar.  I don't see what you're saying.


Urist I:

New info from webadict: My auto does not redirect day actions.

Okay?  You're still lying, because I didn't get redirected.

Can anyone vouch for your redirect?  I bet not, because it's a figment of your imagination.

[Darvi]

Oh. I thought he was calling you out on being able to action after having been blocked once. Nevermind, then.

[Bookthras]

Bookthras:

Urist's kill on Powder Miner is a pretty standard Mafia choice of target, and it was the only kill on N1.

I killed PM because he looked like he was only trying to keep himself out of the noose. That and his lack of a roleflip makes me think he had an advanced-dopp ability which he used N1.

An... advanced-dopp ability? Like in a suicide to turn another player into scum? And you think he used it N1? So... did you kill him or not?

Your scummy story is crumbling fast.

Bookthras+Vector: Why so adamant about the existence of a cult? As far as I can see, this game's cult is entirely fictional - one of the "cultists" was unable to have his alignment changed, and the other one could choose his death flip.

Not only that, one of Native's abilities is a [Mafiakill], so I doubt he was actual cult. Still, I don't rule a cult out, wuba likes lots of factions, and several earlier BYORs had both scum and cult (and SK, and others).

And no, I'm not adamant about a cult, please show me where I said that, or admit you are lying when you said I did. I merely said "why not?" when asked if possible.[1] Lynch all liars.

Book: Why did you block me?

Because I didn't quite buy your miller claim, and a couple of your comments during D1 seemed off to me. So I decided to block you N1 to test it. If no kill happened, then I'd claim and out you. Since the kill did happen, I moved on.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Bookthras:

Urist's kill on Powder Miner is a pretty standard Mafia choice of target, and it was the only kill on N1.

I killed PM because he looked like he was only trying to keep himself out of the noose. That and his lack of a roleflip makes me think he had an advanced-dopp ability which he used N1.

An... advanced-dopp ability? Like in a suicide to turn another player into scum? And you think he used it N1? So... did you kill him or not?

That is indeed what I think happened, and yes I did kill him. Due to the lack of a roleflip, I am forced to assume that my kill wasn't what actually killed him, but the ability was used up.

And no, I'm not adamant about a cult, please show me where I said that, or admit you are lying when you said I did. I merely said "why not?" when asked if possible.[1] Lynch all liars.

The "adamant" part was more toward Vector for this:

I was assuming just the cult, SK, and the survivor team, since that's what we've seen/heard so far

Despite Native having flipped with a mafiakill ability.

[Bookthras]

Bookthras:

Urist's kill on Powder Miner is a pretty standard Mafia choice of target, and it was the only kill on N1.

I killed PM because he looked like he was only trying to keep himself out of the noose. That and his lack of a roleflip makes me think he had an advanced-dopp ability which he used N1.

An... advanced-dopp ability? Like in a suicide to turn another player into scum? And you think he used it N1? So... did you kill him or not?

That is indeed what I think happened, and yes I did kill him. Due to the lack of a roleflip, I am forced to assume that my kill wasn't what actually killed him, but the ability was used up.

So... you think he died twice? Or you killed him but he was already dead? On the basis of what, his lack of a role flip? Aren't there endless possible explanations for that? You are drowning in wine, scum!

...which doesn't explain at all the supposed lack of a Mafia kill that night in your version of events. Unless you think Toaster was the scum, and I blocked him, and therefore no kill, but then why would he claim I'm scum? It doesn't make an iota of sense. No. There was a Mafia kill: yours on Powder Miner.

All this on top of your imaginary redirect, for which no evidence whatsoever exists.

[Urist Imiknorris]

So... you think he died twice? Or you killed him but he was already dead? On the basis of what, his lack of a role flip? Aren't there endless possible explanations for that? You are drowning in wine, scum!

I can only think of three explanations for his lack of a roleflip: An advanced-dopp, a janitor (unlikely considering there was only one non-flipped kill) or Leafsnail killing him (and Leaf was still town D2). If you can think of other possibilities, by all means please share them.

...which doesn't explain at all the supposed lack of a Mafia kill that night in your version of events. Unless you think Toaster was the scum, and I blocked him, and therefore no kill, but then why would he claim I'm scum? It doesn't make an iota of sense. No. There was a Mafia kill: yours on Powder Miner.

Who am I voting again? Also, Toaster's calling you scum because he claimed a scum inspection on you.

There's also the possibility of the conversion being a mafiakill ability - it would result in one less townie, after all.

All this on top of your imaginary redirect, for which no evidence whatsoever exists.

How about everybody actions me tonight after Toaster gets lynched today?

[Vector]

... Wait, wasn't there someone who officially flipped cult?  I could have sworn I saw something...

Or no, maybe I just didn't read NativeForeigner's role well enough 

Okay, look, I obviously need to get off my ass and reread this game, because I just don't know what the facts are anymore.  I'll have a readup later tonight.  Gonna look for interactions, too.

[webadict]

Y'all get posting. Ya hear me?

[Toaster]

Why aren't you all voting Book for being scum?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Because I'm voting you for being scum.

[Bookthras]

And I'm voting you for being scum. Thought Toaster is likely scum too.