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mikelon

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Behold! a lead spear!
« on: January 24, 2012, 12:17:21 am »

Is this good? bad? meh?

i dont really know
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 12:25:38 am »

Bwahahaha, that's terrible! Oh you poor person.

Lead is kinda abysmal for cutting/piercing weapons. Now, if it were a lead hammer...
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 12:36:36 am »

Bwahahaha, that's terrible! Oh you poor person.

Lead is kinda abysmal for cutting/piercing weapons. Now, if it were a lead hammer...

Then it might've been atleast as good as wood :P
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 12:40:12 am »

Its utterly terrible and therefore is perfect for giving to your greatest soldier! The leader of my axedwarf squad is using an artifact lead battle axe and does a fine job breaking goblins i'm sure your spear will generate some fun stories too.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 12:55:26 am »

Its not great as long as they stab with it.  If they bash with it instead it should shatter bone through armor, which makes it a pretty versatile weapon.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 02:11:15 am »

Bwahahaha, that's terrible! Oh you poor person.

Lead is kinda abysmal for cutting/piercing weapons. Now, if it were a lead hammer...

Then it might've been atleast as good as wood :P

xD Lead warhammers kick ass. Lead's one of the densest materials that a warhammer can be made out of in DF - and hardness isn't yet taken into account, so deformation is not an issue.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 02:18:37 am »

Its not great as long as they stab with it.  If they bash with it instead it should shatter bone through armor, which makes it a pretty versatile weapon.
Too bad dwarves will hardly ever bash enemies with it.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 03:02:46 am »

It'd be nice in a weapon trap in your dining room for decoration.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 04:38:28 am »

It'd be nice in a weapon trap in your dining room for decoration.
I just got an idea.

A weapon trap just outside my fortress but inside my main line of defense with all the useless artifact weapons stuffed inside.

I want those goat bone axes and lead spears to instill fear into my enemies!

Bonus points if you also have an artifact mechanism.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 04:47:09 am »

Its not great as long as they stab with it.  If they bash with it instead it should shatter bone through armor, which makes it a pretty versatile weapon.

Exactly! If your champion lives long enough to die of old age with 100's of kills it'll be a real achievement. Many can claim to have slaughtered a thousand or more with candy axes but how about a lead spear? You can give it to your "gladiator" for a symbolic challenge.

Can't go wrong with going the trap route like others said. Loading up on artifacts in your platinum clad statue garden of decorated masterwork platinum statues should go a long way towards stopping any possible tantrum spiral

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Especially cool if you consider you can view the weapons kill list and see how its done over the decades
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 10:14:01 am »

That's a coliseum weapon. Use it to massacre unarmed prisoners. One on one your dorf might actually kick ass with it just because of the accuracy modifier but any kind of real combat situation is going to see them slaughtered.

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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 04:40:05 pm »

Training weapon. Will barely hurt anything, and also make your Dwarves more MUSLEH quickly.

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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 06:00:17 pm »

Quite useless - too deadly for training, too weak for real combat. Oh, and,,,

Bwahahaha, that's terrible! Oh you poor person.

Lead is kinda abysmal for cutting/piercing weapons. Now, if it were a lead hammer...

Then it might've been atleast as good as wood :P

xD Lead warhammers kick ass. Lead's one of the densest materials that a warhammer can be made out of in DF - and hardness isn't yet taken into account, so deformation is not an issue.

Even for blunt weapons, lead is less attractive than our regular materials (which don't seem to have a clear hierarchy). Stiffness and toughness do matter, even though regular combat doesn't permanently damage weapons yet, and lead is too far behind silver for the slightly higher density to put it ahead.
Platinum is excellent, gold seems somewhat ahead, brass may well be.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 08:57:13 pm »

Even for blunt weapons, lead is less attractive than our regular materials (which don't seem to have a clear hierarchy). Stiffness and toughness do matter, even though regular combat doesn't permanently damage weapons yet, and lead is too far behind silver for the slightly higher density to put it ahead.
Platinum is excellent, gold seems somewhat ahead, brass may well be.

I had no idea the other factors were taken into account. Huh.

Ah well. In reality, a lead weapon would actually only be lead-cored; they used to do this with staves and things to give them a little extra oomph. It'd be awesome if that could be done... Silver warhammer cored with lead? Hello, pancake.
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Re: Behold! a lead spear!
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 09:02:07 pm »

Its not great as long as they stab with it.  If they bash with it instead it should shatter bone through armor, which makes it a pretty versatile weapon.
Too bad dwarves will hardly ever bash enemies with it.
Actually, I'd say about 1 attack in 4 is a bash with spears.  At least, thats what I'm seeing when you draft a migrant (axe|sword|mace) dwarf into your spear squad and they have only just reached adequate (years 2 - 4, depending on training efficiency).
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