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[Uthric]

Adding more Tiles to use for Tile sets?

Im not sure how many tiles there are now or how hard it would be to add more in im just asking if it is possible if it could be done at some point.

[ayoriceball]

There are 256 tiles, some of which aren't used by the game at all.

[Uthric]

yes but there are not enough to make a tile for ever weapon and peace of armor. all all the other things that could use its own tile.

[ayoriceball]

yes but there are not enough to make a tile for ever weapon and peace of armor. all all the other things that could use its own tile.

...do you really need ALL those tiles? That would slow the game down a bit, especially if it's not in the same atlas.

[Silverionmox]

The first thing we need is the ability to assign tiles and foreground and background colours to all things in the game. The exact number of tiles needed can be determined afterwards.

[Knight Otu]

This is essentially Full Graphics Support, the 5th of the Top Ten in the Eternal Suggestion Voting. Main thread of the suggestion is here. It's one of the two top ten suggestions that wasn't explicitly added to the Dev page, which Toady addressed here.

[G-Flex]

yes but there are not enough to make a tile for ever weapon and peace of armor. all all the other things that could use its own tile.

...do you really need ALL those tiles? That would slow the game down a bit, especially if it's not in the same atlas.

It almost definitely wouldn't slow the game down much at all, and in fact this is a very common suggestion with a lot of support.

[ayoriceball]

yes but there are not enough to make a tile for ever weapon and peace of armor. all all the other things that could use its own tile.

...do you really need ALL those tiles? That would slow the game down a bit, especially if it's not in the same atlas.

It almost definitely wouldn't slow the game down much at all, and in fact this is a very common suggestion with a lot of support.

If you have a tile for every object and they're not in the same atlas, it would have a minor effect on fps.

[thisisjimmy]

If you have a tile for every object and they're not in the same atlas, it would have a minor effect on fps.

But why wouldn't you put the textures in an atlas?  That's like saying if you build a car with square wheels, it won't drive smoothly.

[ayoriceball]

If you have a tile for every object and they're not in the same atlas, it would have a minor effect on fps.

But why wouldn't you put the textures in an atlas?  That's like saying if you build a car with square wheels, it won't drive smoothly.

All of the LNP graphics packs don't have their graphics in a single file. Whether or not the game supports such a thing, I don't know, but it does slow down gameplay.

[Mike Mayday]

If you have a tile for every object and they're not in the same atlas, it would have a minor effect on fps.

But why wouldn't you put the textures in an atlas?  That's like saying if you build a car with square wheels, it won't drive smoothly.

All of the LNP graphics packs don't have their graphics in a single file. Whether or not the game supports such a thing, I don't know, but it does slow down gameplay.

It doesn't. I tried putting all the graphics into one file and it crashes the game if the image is big enough.
As for your second claim, have you ran any tests to support it? I'm genuinely interested if one could lower the FPS by at least one frame because of multiple graphics files.

[Footkerchief]

As for your second claim, have you ran any tests to support it? I'm genuinely interested if one could lower the FPS by at least one frame because of multiple graphics files.

Yeah that part is some serious citation needed.  I've never observed or heard of a slowdown from using creature graphics.

[ayoriceball]

As for your second claim, have you ran any tests to support it? I'm genuinely interested if one could lower the FPS by at least one frame because of multiple graphics files.

Yeah that part is some serious citation needed.  I've never observed or heard of a slowdown from using creature graphics.

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Maximizing_framerate "Use the default ASCII Graphics Tileset. Custom tilesets (such as Ironhand, Mayday, and Phoebus) can decrease your framerate."

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97447

www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=38557

More files to load/larger files to load means more work for the program. I don't understand how that is not obvious.

[Footkerchief]

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Maximizing_framerate "Use the default ASCII Graphics Tileset. Custom tilesets (such as Ironhand, Mayday, and Phoebus) can decrease your framerate."

Which isn't cited.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=97447

Getting 1 FPS is qualitatively different from the minor effect you're claiming, and obviously a driver problem.

www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=38557

Just someone repeating an unsubstantiated rumor (and getting told they're wrong, no less).

More files to load/larger files to load means more work for the program. I don't understand how that is not obvious.

That entirely depends on the separate code paths and how well optimized they are.  There's nothing obvious about it at all.

[thisisjimmy]

If rendering uses the graphics card and you had several hundred separate images, it should slow down gameplay.  This is because graphics cards are designed to draw in large batches, and don't perform well if you constantly switch textures. This is one of the main advantages of using sprite sheets instead of having each sprite in a separate file.

If you only have a few dozen images, this shouldn't have any noticeable effect on framerate.  I strongly doubt there would be any performance problems from adding more tiles to the tilesets.