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Watership Down?
« on: January 22, 2012, 11:02:11 am »

Don't know if this has been previously mentioned, but I just saw the last quarter hour of Watership Down (If you don't know, it's about rabbits and is horrific. Look it up), and I got thinking: this is a lot like a certain game, right down to a megalomaniacal leader rabbit who beats the others in with his loyal cronies, and cases of rabies and crippling injuries with no reprise.
Examples of slight misquotes include:
"Shit, they're outside! Wall us in and dig harder!"
"Dogs aren't dangerous,turn around and fight you cowards!" [Proceeds to single handed lay attack a pit bull]

Anyone else seen it or notice any similarity?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 01:40:36 pm »

Indeed, the adventurer mode segments are equally horrifying what with the traps, attacks by various local creatures and so forth.

It would not be too hard (with some clever mods) to create a Watership down fortress in a fashion similar to Kobold fortress and its ilk. Confine yourself primarily to the dirt layers, a very narrow combination of surface & subterranean harvesting & farming. No meat (unless you want to go full on cannibal fort or something similar), etc. Very low tech, almost no crafting.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 03:06:34 pm »

Heck, someone over in the modding corner should have a Redwall mod by now, for the shear joy of bagerman slaughtering everything.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 03:18:13 pm »

Is 'down' a legitimate verb in the game? The 'Watership' bit should be easy enough.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 01:14:15 am »

Is 'down' a legitimate verb in the game? The 'Watership' bit should be easy enough.

It's actually a noun, referring to a particular type of English countryside (more usually 'downs', plural). Either way, should be easy enough to add to a language file.

Watership Down is one of the best adventure books ever written. A Bunnies & Burrows-style fortress would be brilliant.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 10:48:22 am »

Is 'down' a legitimate verb in the game? The 'Watership' bit should be easy enough.

It's actually a noun, referring to a particular type of English countryside (more usually 'downs', plural). Either way, should be easy enough to add to a language file.

Watership Down is one of the best adventure books ever written. A Bunnies & Burrows-style fortress would be brilliant.

I'll point out for anyone contemplating a mod for this that Bunnies & Burrows has a number of excellent resources; the GURPS version in particular (still available in a PDF edition) has a lot of realistic "behind the scenes" discussion on how to implement several sorts of setting, with various levels of "realism".  A near-total-conversion DF mod for B&B in general, or Watership Down in particular, would have enormous potential, and if done right could be interesting both in Adventurer Mode and Burrow (Fortress) Mode. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 11:31:42 am »

I remember someone making a mod similar to this a few months ago.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 12:32:56 pm »

It's a pity that there's no way to give your modded bunnies the ability to dig without tools.  Confining them to the soil layers is easy enough by making all the rocks [UNDIGGABLE], but rabbits shouldn't need picks to dig soil.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 03:31:29 pm »

I've started on a few mods with various critters that are supposed to dig innately; my workaround is to make their civ have access to a small digger-type item from an any-material reaction that has some title like "claw caps" or something.  It's about as close as you can get to just having everyone able to dig by paw.

Watership Down was actually one of the mods I've started.  Unfortunately I have the terrible habit of never finishing anything, so it's still only a few scattered files.  I think I did make a Lapine language file though, and was trying to decide whether to make the elil one multi-racial civ or a bunch of civs based on the main dangers.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 07:38:18 pm »

Is 'down' a legitimate verb in the game? The 'Watership' bit should be easy enough.

It's actually a noun, referring to a particular type of English countryside (more usually 'downs', plural). Either way, should be easy enough to add to a language file.

Watership Down is one of the best adventure books ever written. A Bunnies & Burrows-style fortress would be brilliant.

Yeah, creatures like Eagles and Snakes would be semimegabeast-level threats, and things like a stray dog could be civ-shattering.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 09:48:37 pm »

I've started on a few mods with various critters that are supposed to dig innately; my workaround is to make their civ have access to a small digger-type item from an any-material reaction that has some title like "claw caps" or something.  It's about as close as you can get to just having everyone able to dig by paw.

Watership Down was actually one of the mods I've started.  Unfortunately I have the terrible habit of never finishing anything, so it's still only a few scattered files.  I think I did make a Lapine language file though, and was trying to decide whether to make the elil one multi-racial civ or a bunch of civs based on the main dangers.
I know i've seen posts from Toady about "plans" to add innate soil digging as a raw tag, so we have hope for that (maybe with all the new aminals? *fingers crossed*).

The Elil should be multiple civs/races since the title/term is meant to encompass all of the lapine adversaries, to include humans.  Its a term similar in scope to "monster" in its breadth of coverage. :)

And for those that wonder, Down == Hill, so in this case it is a noun.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 11:07:42 pm »

Foxs and feral cats will be a pain, along with any sort of large bird. Heck, Large Rats would be a potent threat, considering there relitive sizes.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 12:14:31 am »

Was thinking more about this today. Fortress mode (the mode I think in terms of) couldn't be too close to the book; not until multi-tile creatures are implemented. Right now all creatures regardless of SIZE tag can fit into one square, so running to burrow - which would be the primary mode of warren defense - won't work, because the warren is also somehow large enough to fit a dragon into. And conversely, creatures can't dig after you. You'd need to fall back on B&B-style Bun Fu and environmental traps (cave-ins, etc). Also hafta keep siege-capable civs to a minimum, because any particular one could probably wipe you right off the map. I haven't looked at Kobold Camp, so I dunno how they handle that kinda thing.
In fact, now that I think about it, you could keep humans as the only town-style civ, and think of sieges more like the mass destruction of the Sandleford warren. War ferrets would be Fun.

And if you did want trading and such, you could put in things like jackrabbit and yona (hedgehog) civs.

Also also, you'd hafta add CAN_SPEAK and possibly CAN_LEARN to almost every creature in the game. Adventure mode would be magnificent chaos. Rowsby Woof, anyone?
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 06:15:50 am »

Is 'down' a legitimate verb in the game? The 'Watership' bit should be easy enough.

It's actually a noun, referring to a particular type of English countryside (more usually 'downs', plural). Either way, should be easy enough to add to a language file.


Blast. I did mean that, I assure you. I just hit four of the wrong letters.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 12:47:46 pm »

I haven't looked at Kobold Camp, so I dunno how they handle that kinda thing.
With death and starvation mostly. :P
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