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[ayoriceball]

"...And of course Dwarf Fortress."

Honestly, making it 3d is nice, but it's still not Dwarf Fortress ;P

It's not dwarf fortress unless it rips out your eyes, makes you swallow them through your bum, then kills you with your own Crundle.

[guitarxe]

What's a crundle? 

[Teneb]

What's a crundle? 

Here we go again...

[look_of_disapproval]

It's not dwarf fortress unless it rips out your eyes, makes you swallow them through your bum, then kills you with your own Crundle.

ಠ_ಠ

[Spinning Welshman]

I actually think this will be a good thing. Not because I expect the game to be a tenth what dwarf fortress is, but because it'll expose people to this style of game, and possibly being more people around to dwarf fortress 

Afterall, whats dwarf fortress's biggest audience killer? Not having an easy introduction to such a unique style of game? There you go then.

Edit: silly typo.

[Oliolli]

It looks kind of like a cross between DWARVES!!!!, Dwarf fortress.

If you mean DWARFS!?, then this is made by the same company.

According to the article, Zeal Games Studios is making this, and Paradox is publishing it. DWARFS!? was made by Power of Two and published by Tripwire.

What's a crundle? 

Here we go again...

Damn it...

[Loud Whispers]

What's a crundle? 

Here we go again...

Damn it...

Well, if I told you, I'd have to cry.

[olemars]

It looks kind of like a cross between DWARVES!!!!, Dwarf fortress.

If you mean DWARFS!?, then this is made by the same company.

According to the article, Zeal Games Studios is making this, and Paradox is publishing it. DWARFS!? was made by Power of Two and published by Tripwire.

And Power of Two is now part of Zeal.

[Oliolli]

Really? Aww... 

[Kamamura]

Pffft!... What do I see here? GRAPHICS? Bah, this has nothing to do with Dwarf Fortress.

[Yolan]

HexagonalBolts says:01/19/2012 at 16:57
EXCEPT – Dwarf fortress is an absolute mess of coding. I love dwarf fortress more than any other game ever created. But the thing’s a complete and utter mess and the creator will randomly spend whole years piddling away on the most ridiculous obscuritys – it’s been months since an update because he wants to add in more realistic roads and slightly more complicated zombies which will only mostly affect adventure mode players who probably make up less than 10% of Dwarf Fortress players. If somebody got a design team who were properly trained in and experienced with programming (Toady is primarily a mathematician) then by god, they could work wonders with some of those ideas.

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MCM says:01/20/2012 at 00:55
Exactly. Dwarf Fortress has been in decline since 40d – the game is actively getting worse because Toady has no idea how to manage a project, is a horrible coder, and has no clear design direction – just a random assortment of goals.

The game is actually less playable now than it was 3 years ago, and all signs point to it getting worse. Serious bugs linger for months or years and the playerbase is too stupid to do anything other than spam their own forums with the same 4 jokes (Urist, !!SCIENCE!!/magma, “elves”, and “happy fun stuff”). It’s one of the most depressing examples of indie development out there, even if it does give us a few good design ideas.

From the comments on that site.

Rebuttal?

[monk12]

Wow, seriously? All kinds of terrible right there- none of that is from the dev team's mouth, right?

Just to isolate a single indignity from that trash, the suggestion that Toady doesn't have a "clear design direction" is utter bullshit. Minecraft doesn't have a "clear design direction." Toady has several pages and podcasts devoted to letting the community know about his design decisons.

[thvaz]

Wow, seriously? All kinds of terrible right there- none of that is from the dev team's mouth, right?

Just to isolate a single indignity from that trash, the suggestion that Toady doesn't have a "clear design direction" is utter bullshit. Minecraft doesn't have a "clear design direction." Toady has several pages and podcasts devoted to letting the community know about his design decisons.

Probably those people bashing DF are frequent users of this very forum. I really don't understand all the hostility Toady gets outside of here and sometimes even here. He is as nice as someone can get, he doesn't charge for his games, he always gives feedback to his community. What else could you ask of him?

This has nothing to do with this new game though. All the luck to them, it looks like they have their own ideas going on.

[Gatleos]

the playerbase is too stupid to do anything other than spam their own forums with the same 4 jokes (Urist, !!SCIENCE!!/magma, “elves”, and “happy fun stuff”).

Heh.

Well, you can't say they're completely uninformed.

Exactly. Dwarf Fortress has been in decline since 40d – the game is actively getting worse because Toady has no idea how to manage a project, is a horrible coder, and has no clear design direction – just a random assortment of goals.

Aside from what monk said... we're talking about a guy who has been coding computer games since he was in elementary school. I'm pretty sure he knows what the hell he's doing. I just don't understand these people's rage toward Toady. Is he an egomaniacal douche? No, he seems like an extremely nice guy. Is he overcharging for his "broken" creation? Not unless you consider free to be overcharging. So what is it? Jealousy? Spite?

[Mr Frog]

So what is it? Jealousy? Spite?

I believe that the term you're looking for is "GIT OFF MAH LAWN".

Or, more specifically, "This thing that I used to like but have no real control over has changed a bit and I don't feel like adjusting to these changes so I'll just pretend that they're the WORST THING EVAR so that I can feel like I'm right for not accepting them." It's a fairly common geek affliction, from what I understand.

Spoiler: ...Actually, you know what? I'm feeling bored, so I'm actually going to try to address his arguments. (click to show/hide)

I'd like to point out that cavern critters and poisonous FB's added more variety to fortress threats (something which I found 40d to be sorely lacking in), that ghosts add more variety to fortress threats, that necromancers, werewolves, cursed rain, and especially vampires will add more variety to fortress threats (hmmm, a trend! It's almost like Toady does, in fact, know where he's going with all of this!), and that the next release looks like it may finally make adventurer mode worth playing.
In addition, 31.25 runs faster (on my computer, at least) than 40d ever did and most of the really harmful bugs have been addressed. Furthermore, animals are easier to manage, injured dwarves are better-attended, and modding is much more versatile. In fact, the only thing 40d really has on the current version is an easier-to-understand military.
As a final point, Toady's new release plan looks pretty functional to me, Toady being able to singlehandedly manage a project as large as DF makes him ten times the programmer I'll ever be, and Necro910 is not, was not, and will never be every single member of B12.

Whew. Okay, I'm done venting now. Best wishes to that new game's devteam.

EDIT TO THE EDIT: I made an edit, but deleted it because on further inspection it made no sense.