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[Jim Groovester]

When inspected, I show up as Cult Leader.

Since I had inspected every other living player at that point, I inspected him for the hell of it and, indeed, got third party.

Fuck, derp.

FUCK.

Shit, seriously?

FUCK.

I think I need to quit mafia for a while, because god damn, you'd think somebody would have a hard time making so many stupid fucking mistakes in a row.

FUCK.

I did get a mafia inspect on him, so my only guess at this point is framer, since he was the obvious inspect choice.

Framer is a mafia role I haven't heard of before. What does it do?

Not saying I believe you, but I'm pretty open to any theory right now.

For the record, there was a no lynch yesterday because it takes one less vote to lynch me.  That caused a 3-2 split to become a tie.

The split was 4-1. If it takes one less vote to lynch you, then the score count would be 4-2, still more than enough to lynch Ottofar.

[Toaster]

Toaster also votes for Toaster.
Not that it matters.

I'm guessing he had a vote control power of some kind.  It's the only logical explanation of why he wasn't lynched.

From Mafiascum: 
Frame Artist (mafia; very common; 4+ players): You can frame another player during the night. Inspections on that player will give a 'mafia' result. Actions: frame

[webadict]

I am confused.

You think?

I got confused by Day 3. I have no idea what's happening.

Anybody got any ideas?

[Toaster]

If there's not a mafioso framer that inspects as third party (Jack) or town that can shoot his own team (Web), then I'm guessing there was just a seriously gimped mafia team, and one of you is a hostile third party.


That or Ottofar was a Pillar of the Community, but that's just grasping at straws.

[webadict]

If there's not a mafioso framer that inspects as third party (Jack) or town that can shoot his own team (Web), then I'm guessing there was just a seriously gimped mafia team, and one of you is a hostile third party.


That or Ottofar was a Pillar of the Community, but that's just grasping at straws.

I meant not stupid ideas.

I'm too tired to try and think right now.

[Jim Groovester]

My current thoughts in the order I'm willing to believe them are the following:

1) Jack A T's post that Ottofar checked is mostly true, except for the part about his alignment.
2) webadict is an SK.
3) Toaster is a scum cop.

It's possible to check two of these possibilities (in addition to any theories you probably have about me) before the game is tied between two players.

[Darvi]

That or Ottofar was a Pillar of the Community, but that's just grasping at straws.

Naw man. I might be a dirty bastard who relies on technical truths and snarkasm to make people believe things that aren't true. I might use role abilities that do effectively nothing or get cancelled out by other skills.

But the roleflips are exactly what they seem like.

[Jack A T]

Okay, I'm surprised.

I'm a vig now.  I got so angry about my lover's death that I grabbed the banhammer.  This would have removed my town wincon, but then (according to my flavour) I realized that that would be stupid and thus kept both of my wincons.  I NKed Ottofar last night (probably redundant, but he seemed like the last scum).

At this point, I've claimed all details of my role.

Darvi: Assuming that every statement in the post Ottofar claimed to have tested was true except for the wincon, and the wincon was completely false, what would Ottofar's result have been, had he tested it, based on the power he claimed?

Tired now.  Need rest/thinking time.

[Jim Groovester]

That story is very believable. It is so believable that I believe it.

Right. So, you're a miffed town who has two win conditions: win with the town or kill everybody. And when your lover died, instead of dying like a good lover should, you magically became a 'vig' with the same win conditions. Not least of all, the kill everybody one.

Given everything you've claimed, how do you expect anyone to believe that you're anything besides an SK?

Here's a plan: Lynch Jack A T for being an SK, then if the game isn't over, I block webadict, and then we lynch him tomorrow for being an SK. Then, I run out of plans. But whatever's preventing us from winning is probably locked up in one of the two players with killing roles.

[Toaster]

Jack:  When did you claim having a lover?

[Jim Groovester]

Here.

[Toaster]

Oh yeah- somehow I was trying to make it be part of the post that Ottofar checked.


Jack:  What'd you do the night before?  (Night of the Derp, as it were.)

[Jack A T]

Jack:  What'd you do the night before?  (Night of the Derp, as it were.)

Nothing.

Given everything you've claimed, how do you expect anyone to believe that you're anything besides an SK?

A mix of Ottofar's check of my post and Darvi's eventual answer to my question should hopefully prove that you're barking up the wrong tree.

Ahem.

My alignment is Miffed Town: I'm basically a townie, and win the same way as the rest of the town, but I have an extra possible wincon: if everybody is dead, I win.

I am the mod.

When inspected, I show up as Cult Leader.

I find it hard to believe that, if the Miffed Town chunk was untrue, I would still show up as having mostly told the truth, seeing how it's the majority of my claims in that post.  I believe Darvi will back me up there.

On why I didn't die with PM: I'm immortal.  However, I ragequit if I get lynched or NKed, so I effectively die that way.  I asked Darvi, and he said that the entire purpose of my immortality is to make me survive if my lover dies.  That, and because it's funny.

Toaster: You mentioned much earlier in the game that the flavour of your miller ability made you much more willing to believe my claim of my Cult Leader miller ability.  Now that we've pretty much hit the point where we've claimed, could you explain this?

[Darvi]

Darvi: Assuming that every statement in the post Ottofar claimed to have tested was true except for the wincon, and the wincon was completely false, what would Ottofar's result have been, had he tested it, based on the power he claimed?

I'd probably say that most (as in, more than half of it) of the post was wrong.

[Toaster]

Toaster: You mentioned much earlier in the game that the flavour of your miller ability made you much more willing to believe my claim of my Cult Leader miller ability.  Now that we've pretty much hit the point where we've claimed, could you explain this?

Okay.  I'm Mixer (so I'm playing myself.)  The ability is Default Scum IC, making me scummy from hanging around all the scum chats.  The weird flavor behind it (at that point) made me figure you were someone like Jim, with an army of Jimbots type miller.  What is the flavor behind your ability?

Just to confirm, you're Derpy, right?


Darvi:  Let's say someone has one set of wincons, but a certain event will make them change their wincon.  They posted their current wincons but didn't mention the ability that made it change.

If someone checked the truthfulness of that post, what would be the result?