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hawkeye_de

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Hard-Core RPG
« on: January 16, 2012, 11:54:26 am »

I'd be curious if someone could recommend me a hard-core RPG (complex one, deep story) apart from roguelikes ...could be old

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Re: Hard-Core RPG
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 12:07:44 pm »

Secret of Mana for the SNES?
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 12:20:54 pm »

Not quite sure what kind of an RPG you'd like but I'll always recommend Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. If you are more into story and don't care about combat then give Planescape: Torment a try, hands down the best RPG I've ever played. Also the good old Fallout 1 and 2 are amazing games. If you are looking for a bit newer game I'd recommend The Witcher, it has a bit more unique feeling than the other new RPGs.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 12:30:22 pm »

Not quite sure what kind of an RPG you'd like but I'll always recommend Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. If you are more into story and don't care about combat then give Planescape: Torment a try, hands down the best RPG I've ever played. Also the good old Fallout 1 and 2 are amazing games. If you are looking for a bit newer game I'd recommend The Witcher, it has a bit more unique feeling than the other new RPGs.

Fallout, I like the setting. I've played Fallout 3 but the AI is really dump there, is it better in 1/2?
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Re: Hard-Core RPG
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 12:49:34 pm »

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Fallout, I like the setting. I've played Fallout 3 but the AI is really dump there, is it better in 1/2?

Fallout 1&2 are almost completely different from FO3&NV in everything except setting. You would have to look up a LP or something to see everything.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 01:02:22 pm »

Have you tried Morrowind? It's quite different from Oblivion and Skyrim. The story isn't too terribly deep, but it's better than in the other two. The game system is most definitely enjoyable.

You should also look at System Shock. I have no idea if it's what you're looking for, but it's much better than most modern RPG's in the aspects you desire.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 01:04:10 pm »

Morrowind is awesome i got it but i never finished the game because lack of directions some people complain about graphics and how they fight i dont care its the gameplay that counts.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 01:07:17 pm »

The fighting is part of the gameplay. :P
The lack of directions shouldn't be an issue; you have a journal, in which you write down everything important told to you.
The graphics are rather lacking, though, even for the game's time. There are mods to help with that, but nothing (for Morrowind) will make it on par with Oblivion.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 01:09:23 pm »

you heard of project aedra someone making it to multiplayer morrowind but it will be release maybe like a long time who knows it might be november 2012
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 01:14:11 pm »

Also the tes constuction set is awesome its fun to make a mod i have been thinking of making a mod with aragonians as natives like it was in the old times no towns citys just tribes.

EX: Argonians = native americans
      Humans= still humans and things like that
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 01:38:07 pm »

If you are a gameplay>graphics type I recommend you TES:Morrowind. My all-time favorite. Combat sucks but depending on what kind of a character you are playing you may spend hours playing this game and not even encounter a fight once. House Hlaalu and Thieves Guild quests are like that.

If you must have good graphics there are good graphic mods if your PC can handle it. Check out gameplay mods too. There are 3 vampire mods called Vampire Embrace/Hunger/Realism and if you are planning on becoming a vampire you must use them. You can have slaves which are kinda like ghouls in World Of Darkness.

Learning the game is really hard. While doing quests, rembember to ask around for directions and pay attention to road signs. If you get really stuck check uesp.net. Every quest in Morrowind is explained there.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 02:02:23 pm »

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Fallout, I like the setting. I've played Fallout 3 but the AI is really dump there, is it better in 1/2?

Fallout 1&2 are almost completely different from FO3&NV in everything except setting. You would have to look up a LP or something to see everything.
Even in story they are completely different, at least fallout 3 is. Fallout 3s story was focused on cheap laughs. There wasn't much focus on seriousness, bar 1 quest, Andale I believe it was called, was the only one that matched the previous tone.

The combat is completely different, it's a shitty turn-based in the originals(which is less noticeable to a novice, basically the reasons it's bad is something I don't try to explain because it only becomes bad when you compare it to something that did TB better, IE Jagged Alliance or X-Com.), and a shitty FPS(Floaty walking, low power weapons that sound like pop guns, lack of a noticable impact when you shoot guns, over reliance on shock factor gore, doom level AI(run forward and shoot), poor quality animations, illogical enemy placement, Illogical amounts of HP bloat, inaccurate frustrating weapons, and I could go on.) in Fallout 3 and NV.

As far as deep RPGs go, Fallout 1/2, Arcanum: Of steamworks and magicks obscura, and Planescape Torment are the standard recommendations. For more modern  action based affairs, VtM:B, is about as close to a modern FPSRPG with deep story and strong emphasis on systems. Unfortunately it descends into a boss rush towards the end as Troika ran out of money and time. Being forced to release 5 months early and compete with Half Life 2 on it's release date.

Of those the ones I really recommend are Fallout 1/2 and Planescape, be aware though, they do have a tendency to just sit you in a location and have you sort the stuff out.  To some this is a strong suit to others, well it ends up frustrating them until they eventually quit because they can't figure out what the good/best solution is. It goes beyond what you saw in FO:NV, the new reno quest line has something like 14 different endings, and is a 7 faction conflict.

As far as deep Turn Based Tactics games that are light on the story, Jagged Alliance 2, and Knights of the Chalice have incredibly interesting systems, with Knights of the Chalice being the best implementation of the DnD 3.5 edition OGL content I've seen thus far.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 02:16:53 pm »

I have to suggest NWN.
Not so much the single player side but the persistant worlds (PW) servers
where you play with other people. I've gotten best RP moments in that game.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 02:29:47 pm »

I'm going to suggest the Geneforge and Avernum series - that company makes some pretty in depth RPGs with lots of politics and factions and divergent paths and "endings".
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 02:38:59 pm »

i always like to play might and might 7, but its  if i now think about it not to hardcore
and yeah baldurs gate 2 is great to play
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