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Loud Whispers

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Re: SOPA returns! - Google, Wikipedia and Reddit blackout in protest
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2012, 01:58:40 pm »

Are ANY of the major media companies reporting on this at all? I've only seen an article on CNNMoney, and it was buried pretty quickly.

It's been covered by pretty much all of the UK's news sources, Fox news has covered it, CNN covered it, lotsa indie news coverage and a few others.

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« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2012, 01:59:36 pm »

Do you have any links? I'm interested in seeing the coverage and haven't had a lot of luck finding it. Or was it on tv?
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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2012, 02:00:04 pm »

Actually, I rather hope this passes.

If there's one thing the modern world needs, it's an end to the corporation. And the fact is that it's only if something really drastic like this happens that corporations will look horrible enough that we'll get rid of them.

Go, go, go RIAA; shoot yourself in the foot.

It's much harder to get rid of legislation after it's passed. That's like saying "I hope that guy starts killing people soon so we can get rid of him".

They're also very, very likely to package SOPA/PIPA legislation onto lower-profile bills while we're busy fending off this one - bills like the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act, an awful and inappropriately named bill that quietly passed (nobody wants to be under suspicion of supporting pedophiles, especially in today's society) despite warnings that such a bill constituted a severe breach of privacy.

Once the noise down down about SOPA/PIPA, people will be weary and deafened enough not to examine subsequent bills more thoroughly.
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Re: SOPA returns! - Google, Wikipedia and Reddit blackout in protest
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2012, 02:03:33 pm »

Do you have any links? I'm interested in seeing the coverage and haven't had a lot of luck finding it. Or was it on tv?

Papers, TV e.t.c. :(

You might be able to find it on youtube or something. Which wouldn't be possible if SOPA was in effect.

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Re: SOPA returns! - Google, Wikipedia and Reddit blackout in protest
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2012, 02:13:27 pm »

Does anyone find it odd that internet users are assumed to be pedophiles by default, while football coaches and priests can... well... actually be pedophiles without suspicion?
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Re: SOPA returns! - Google, Wikipedia and Reddit blackout in protest
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2012, 02:43:50 pm »

FOX News has a tiny item buried way down at the bottom of their front page, in the Tech section. Meanwhile, their lead story is "State Department to say NO to Keystone Pipeline", with the NO in a font size usually reserved for announcing declarations of war or curing cancer.  ::)

Funny part is, if you look at the comments section of the FOX item about the SOPA blackout, most of the FOX-watching crowd is against it too. They just think it's a liberal plot.  :P
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« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2012, 02:45:51 pm »

Havent read the whole thread, but I am sure I read somewhere (BBC News website possibly) in an "official White House" statement that the Obama administration is against both bills and might consider a veto...
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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2012, 02:48:42 pm »

Havent read the whole thread, but I am sure I read somewhere (BBC News website possibly) in an "official White House" statement that the Obama administration is against both bills and might consider a veto...
Yeah, but from what I've read they're mostly against it because it's poorly written (and thus difficut to enforce) rather than on principle.  :-\
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« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2012, 03:07:33 pm »

I'm fairly sure Hilary Clinton is against it, but that's not much consolation.
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« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2012, 03:11:50 pm »

Does anyone find it odd that internet users are assumed to be pedophiles by default, while football coaches and priests can... well... actually be pedophiles without suspicion?

People trust identity, and despise anything anonymous and unknown. Except everyone on the internet. And I'm not talking about Facebook :|

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« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2012, 03:43:53 pm »

Funny part is, if you look at the comments section of the FOX item about the SOPA blackout, most of the FOX-watching crowd is against it too. They just think it's a liberal plot.  :P

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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2012, 04:18:18 pm »

Hm... Are you suggesting that the true path to liberal utopia is for everyone to murder everyone else in a senseless rage?
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Re: SOPA returns! - Google, Wikipedia and Reddit blackout in protest
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2012, 04:19:48 pm »

if the bill ever gets passed we can just post copyrighted material on the websites who are for censorship then they get shut down
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« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2012, 04:24:28 pm »

No, because it'll be selectively enforced. You'll have to take them to an actual court, spend thousands upon thousands of dollars pressing the suit, and win several appeals until the case reaches the Supreme Court, which will have the authority to declare the law unconstitutional, causing you to lose all the money you've sunk into this thing. Meanwhile, you'll be constantly scrutinized for breaking any of hundreds of minor laws that are almost never enforced. This is what we call the "best case scenario". Corruption is pretty great, huh?
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
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« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2012, 04:41:11 pm »

Actually, I rather hope this passes.

If there's one thing the modern world needs, it's an end to the corporation. And the fact is that it's only if something really drastic like this happens that corporations will look horrible enough that we'll get rid of them.

Go, go, go RIAA; shoot yourself in the foot.

It's much harder to get rid of legislation after it's passed. That's like saying "I hope that guy starts killing people soon so we can get rid of him".

They're also very, very likely to package SOPA/PIPA legislation onto lower-profile bills while we're busy fending off this one - bills like the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act, an awful and inappropriately named bill that quietly passed (nobody wants to be under suspicion of supporting pedophiles, especially in today's society) despite warnings that such a bill constituted a severe breach of privacy.

Once the noise down down about SOPA/PIPA, people will be weary and deafened enough not to examine subsequent bills more thoroughly.

That's what worries me about this, that'll just be repackaged as something even more horribly named until it can get shoved under the door. Apparently being a pirate isn't scary enough to warrant passing a bill without thinking, but internet pornographers preying on our children? Hell yes I'll sign that!

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