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Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo all the tons of stuff (s)he eats..once in a while

10 (6.1%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to have sex without calving like a bunny

17 (10.3%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. not necessarily at the same time

41 (24.8%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. EVEN at the same time (perversion++)

17 (10.3%)

No I'm ok without 'em EVER pooing AND having sex only ONCE per child

80 (48.5%)

Total Members Voted: 165

Voting closed: February 15, 2012, 06:08:04 pm

[Owly]

I think that it might be a good idea to track poop for animals, but just have the game assume that sentients are capable of cleaning up after themselves. That way you could have things like fertilizer, weaponization, irrigation, etc. without immersion-breaking details like dwarves pooping in the middle of combat.

[Gotdamnmiracle]

I feel like this is one of those things that would be best implemented as a well thought out and put together mod. That way no one can complain about their thirteen year old playing a lewd game and if you are looking for this sort of thing it is there. Personally I'm all for it, the more realism the better, but I don't want to see DF get attacked by people who doesn't understand it and I think we can all agree that there are only two people in this world... The people who understand DF and those who don't.

I mean does anyone remember how much shit flew when that Grand Theft Auto sex thing happened? And that was a Mature rated game that cost money. I feel like someone will get offended, go berserk, and compare it to handing out porno mags at Halloween or some other sillyness.

[Babylon]

I feel like this is one of those things that would be best implemented as a well thought out and put together mod. That way no one can complain about their thirteen year old playing a lewd game and if you are looking for this sort of thing it is there. Personally I'm all for it, the more realism the better, but I don't want to see DF get attacked by people who doesn't understand it and I think we can all agree that there are only two people in this world... The people who understand DF and those who don't.

I mean does anyone remember how much shit flew when that Grand Theft Auto sex thing happened? And that was a Mature rated game that cost money. I feel like someone will get offended, go berserk, and compare it to handing out porno mags at Halloween or some other sillyness.

A mod can't implement this because the code isn't in.  It could however probably be modded out, once it is implemented.

[Silverionmox]

I think that it might be a good idea to track poop for animals, but just have the game assume that sentients are capable of cleaning up after themselves. That way you could have things like fertilizer, weaponization, irrigation, etc. without immersion-breaking details like dwarves pooping in the middle of combat.

Just like happens now with sleeping, eating and drinking in the middle of combat you mean? :/ That needs work, but I don't see a problem otherwise with some regular watercloset visits, preferably right after dinner or before bed.

[bombzero]

as long as its not really a huge time consuming all focus required management thing im all for it.

[Ghills]

It's not the content, it's the graphic nature.  I mean, I don't object to people doing whatever IRL.  But I would object to them doing it on my lawn.  We all know that dwarves reproduce, but there are a ton of games/videos/whatevers you can go to for graphic content.  We don't need to make all the non-graphic playstyles more awkward to cater to an already over-served demographic, just like we don't need to make DF's 3D graphics better to cater to the Call of Duty gamers.

Since when is text graphic? Why didn't you object to the combat reports as well? And as I said, detailed mating reports are simply not on the list, nor will they be.

That's what was being suggested, and what I was objecting too.

You may play violent, corpse-filled, concentration camp forts - I don't. And DF supports both of our playstyles.

I don't either.

Adding graphic content into vanilla would support your playstyle at the expense of mine, which is what I object to.  As I noted, there is a mod for that if you really, really want it.

I hate to break the news to you, but the current DF does include the aforementioned possibilities, and you weren't put off by it, even though it was theoretically against your style. You won't be put off by putting more stuff like that in either.

All of those things are possible, just like in real life.  And I don't choose to do them in real life, and I don't choose to do them in DF.  Adding in detailed sex reports would be a different level of in-your-face, which is what I was objecting too.

The point with the Warhammer mod was that even a tiny, niche gaming system is more popular than graphic content.  It's a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction.

Are we talking about the same game? Every other thread on the forum has someone delightfully describing a different way some creatures died in their fort.

Yeah, people choose to play a certain way.  Or there's an accident (although most accidents could be avoided by careful planning, which is mandated IRL by worker safety laws & etc).  But just like I avoid murder and accidents IRL, I avoid them in DF. 

[Gotdamnmiracle]

I feel like this is one of those things that would be best implemented as a well thought out and put together mod. That way no one can complain about their thirteen year old playing a lewd game and if you are looking for this sort of thing it is there. Personally I'm all for it, the more realism the better, but I don't want to see DF get attacked by people who doesn't understand it and I think we can all agree that there are only two people in this world... The people who understand DF and those who don't.

I mean does anyone remember how much shit flew when that Grand Theft Auto sex thing happened? And that was a Mature rated game that cost money. I feel like someone will get offended, go berserk, and compare it to handing out porno mags at Halloween or some other sillyness.

A mod can't implement this because the code isn't in.  It could however probably be modded out, once it is implemented.

Really? You couldn't make dwarves produce some sort of "refuse" after a time or cancel their job, not because they are tired, thirsty or hungry but because they are looking to get busy? It seems like the code is there, or do I not know what I'm talking about because that is entirely possible. I don't claim to be any manner of code monkey.

[knutor]

A dwarf could clean soiled linens after sex, and go outside to dry them, putting her/himself in harms way.  Wouldn't that go towards helping make this rather anticlimactic skill more role playable and experience adjustable, in ways that the current model lacks in simulating.  "Dorf does cleaning" or "dorf doesn't do cleaning" leaves a lot to the imagination.  The more often a cleaning trade dwarf goes outside to dry bed linens could also foreshadow a birth or increased medical protocols, and help the user adjust and plan to increase his bedroom and hospital, accordingly.

Sincerely,
Knutor

[Silverionmox]

You may play violent, corpse-filled, concentration camp forts - I don't. And DF supports both of our playstyles.

I don't either.

Adding graphic content into vanilla would support your playstyle at the expense of mine, which is what I object to.  As I noted, there is a mod for that if you really, really want it.

I hate to break the news to you, but the current DF does include the aforementioned possibilities, and you weren't put off by it, even though it was theoretically against your style. You won't be put off by putting more stuff like that in either.

All of those things are possible, just like in real life.  And I don't choose to do them in real life, and I don't choose to do them in DF.  Adding in detailed sex reports would be a different level of in-your-face, which is what I was objecting too.

Alright, but we're only just discussing mentioning sex or have the dwarves exhibit (no pun intended) behaviours like sleeping in the same bed once in a while or have "Urist enjoyed the private time with their lover" thoughts. I even forget combat reports half the time, I don't see why even sex reports, which almost nobody is asking for anyway, couldn't be forgotten as easily.

[bombzero]

this thread is redundant now...

[Gotdamnmiracle]

How about an indicater that said whether the humanoid were a virgin or not. Without it who would you sacrifice... No wait... (forehead smack) haha elves. My bad. Disregard.

[knutor]

I'm not touching that Virgin comment with a 10 foot pole.  Its a good one, don't get me wrong.  I just don't wanna get in trouble.  Be nice to have an alternative to fighting some of these Forgotten Beasts. 

So and So has arrived.  Its a blank, blank and blank.  Beware of its fire cloud!  Fight it So and So, or worship So and So with a virgin sacrifice?  Its the perfect pacifist solution, or solution to an early Forgotten beast visit.

Thrown Poo should increase the thrown, archery, and marksmen skills.  Maybe add Throwing Poo at convicted criminals to enhance the punishments.  Be a great way to casually raise those stats, and not bleed out on wood, in low wood areas.

Sincerely, Knutor

[orius]

Let me get this straight.

We have dwarves that eat only once every six weeks in this game but people are worried that that lack of sex and excretion hurt realism?

[Silverionmox]

Let me get this straight.

We have dwarves that eat only once every six weeks in this game but people are worried that that lack of sex and excretion hurt realism?

Fortress mode runs on compressed time by necessity. That doesn't mean elementary cause and effect can be forgotten. Especially not in a game that tracks every dragonfly ichor spatter cause by cats hunting.

[traylorpark]

So I'm a brand new Dwarf Fortress newb here. I went into this game expecting to have to do some sort of dwarf byproduct waste management. It's a major factor in any kind of city, structure planning. I was surprised when I found out that wasn't in the game.

Additionally, I thought it would be prudent to have all my dwarves drink and fish on a river, upstream from where all my animals are chilling out in an effort to keep the dwarves healthy and not drink any water buffalo waste. However, as far as I can tell, that doesn't really matter.