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Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo all the tons of stuff (s)he eats..once in a while

10 (6.1%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to have sex without calving like a bunny

17 (10.3%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. not necessarily at the same time

41 (24.8%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. EVEN at the same time (perversion++)

17 (10.3%)

No I'm ok without 'em EVER pooing AND having sex only ONCE per child

80 (48.5%)

Total Members Voted: 165

Voting closed: February 15, 2012, 06:08:04 pm

[MiniMacker]

I actually think they already get their sexual frustration out.

You've never bothered to analyze the "Been satisfied at work" thought?

[Yoink]

You know, if the second part of this suggestion were implemented, it would create far more work, trouble and difficulty than the first part. For starters, if we wanted to assign guards to the female offspring of our king, we'd have to either select them by gender or... Make 'em eunuchs first.
And the butchery would have to waste valuable animal gut, the justice system would have to be expanded to introduce child support claims, and let's not forget the aformentioned 'dwarven brothel' for those dwarves with terrible social skills...
Oh Armok, give me the shit instead!

[MasterMorality]

I don't see the point in crap. It doesn't add anything to the game. At all. It's just some random bit of code that is processed every once in a while.

Sex, I could see being used as a beneficial part of Dwarven life. You know that 'Doesn't matter; had sex' thing - it's a counter to all the bad stuff that happens, it could influence relationships, create interesting little bits of drama around the fortress. It depends on how dwarves perceive the subject of infidelity, and so and so forth, but it could be useful. It just depends how it's handled. Right now Dwarves have parties that last months. Anybody attempting to continuously rut for several months at a time, will die without some pause in between for nutrition and rest.

Taking of that into consideration, we might end up getting spammed with:

"Urist McCassanova has died of sexual exhaustion"
Or
"Urista McFirstWoman is throwing a tantrum: found Urista McSecondWoman in bed with Urist McCassanova"
Or
"Urista McDwarfette is throwing a tantrum: Urist McCassanova is bloody awful in the sack."

Or in the units menu: a subcategory of status: 'Cigarette Break...'

I could go on and on with this...

[Yoink]

As awesome as that would be, in today's society, with sex being far more taboo than extreme violence, the inclusion of sex would quite likely make DF a bit less... Well, I'm not going to say child friendly since the game is most certainly not that already, but imagine trying to explain the sex habits of your dwarves to a confused onlooker! Or if your kid brother/sister happened to peek over your shoulder! Or worse yet, a parent! Good Lord Armok, it could be terrible.
Still, if it was possible, a mod for such things would be quite hilarious for those of us without those problems.   

But as to your other point...

I don't see the point in crap. It doesn't add anything to the game. At all. It's just some random bit of code that is processed every once in a while.

...How does this make it a bad thing? I could understand if you just didn't like the idea on a 'grossness' basis, but doesn't 'random bit of code' sum up just about everything from strange moods to weather to military schedules to tantrums through to invasions? Uh...

[MasterMorality]

But as to your other point...

I don't see the point in crap. It doesn't add anything to the game. At all. It's just some random bit of code that is processed every once in a while.

...How does this make it a bad thing? I could understand if you just didn't like the idea on a 'grossness' basis, but doesn't 'random bit of code' sum up just about everything from strange moods to weather to military schedules to tantrums through to invasions? Uh...

Strange moods produce items, or produce !FUN!
Weather determines heat, refills ponds, water crops, affects mood, etc
Military Schedules have purpose.
Tantrums have an affect on the fortress and other dwarves
Invasions create an interaction with the world and one way in which you can die.

Taking a dump? What does that affect?

[Yoink]

...Your bowels, for one thing. I imagine it could affect the dwarve's happiness for better or worse, and of course if they don't poop, they presumably die. It creates miasma, fertilizes fields, (if applied properly, of course) and it poses an interesting gameplay challenge. Certainly no more a 'random bit of code' than any of those examples.

[Babylon]

You know, if the second part of this suggestion were implemented, it would create far more work, trouble and difficulty than the first part. For starters, if we wanted to assign guards to the female offspring of our king, we'd have to either select them by gender or... Make 'em eunuchs first.
And the butchery would have to waste valuable animal gut, the justice system would have to be expanded to introduce child support claims, and let's not forget the aformentioned 'dwarven brothel' for those dwarves with terrible social skills...
Oh Armok, give me the shit instead!

Female guards for princesses or eunuch ones is historically accurate.  Personally I like dwarves being monogamous for life with a low sex drive but I would like to see it in the ethics so that we could make Humans more accurate.  I kind of doubt Goblins would be monogamous at all.

[Babylon]

But as to your other point...

I don't see the point in crap. It doesn't add anything to the game. At all. It's just some random bit of code that is processed every once in a while.

...How does this make it a bad thing? I could understand if you just didn't like the idea on a 'grossness' basis, but doesn't 'random bit of code' sum up just about everything from strange moods to weather to military schedules to tantrums through to invasions? Uh...

Strange moods produce items, or produce !FUN!
Weather determines heat, refills ponds, water crops, affects mood, etc
Military Schedules have purpose.
Tantrums have an affect on the fortress and other dwarves
Invasions create an interaction with the world and one way in which you can die.

Taking a dump? What does that affect?

In real life it has a lot of effects.  As I said before Cholera has killed millions of people and changed history in important ways.  Waste disposal is an important part of how cities are shaped.  It wouldn't, and shouldn't dominate game play, but it would add an extra challenge, especcially for people who have walled themselves off from the outside world.

[Loud Whispers]

Still seems much more annoying than fun. Imagine adventure mode.

[Troopperi]

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

[Silverionmox]

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

Never crossed my mind.

[Ghills]

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

Never crossed my mind.

I would not play a DF version where that was possible.  I recommend this game to my friends because I feel certain that it's never going to descend to that kind of thing.  And I know that at least a significant minority of other players feel the same way.

Plus, there's only 1 sucubus mod, vs 2-3 Warhammer 40K mods. I think the point is clear - DF players don't play DF for this.  And at least a few of us play it specifically because it doesn't include this.

[Silverionmox]

Reports:

"Urist McLadiesboy is having sex"

And after that veeeeery accurate description of that.

Nice idea guys.

Never crossed my mind.

I would not play a DF version where that was possible.

Chances of that going in are nil, if only for the work required. It still wouldn't force you to read them. But rest assured that amourous involvement will be in, as it is a fundamental drive in many stories. We'd never have the Illiad and the Odyssee, were it not for dozens of bearded, bronze-clad warriors lusting after Helen of Troy's hot tush.

I recommend this game to my friends because I feel certain that it's never going to descend to that kind of thing.  And I know that at least a significant minority of other players feel the same way.

But pus, vomit, hallways lined with rotting corpses, systematic civilian execution for fun, concentrations camps of sentients for profit, and non-stop carnage are all ok?

Plus, there's only 1 sucubus mod, vs 2-3 Warhammer 40K mods. I think the point is clear - DF players don't play DF for this.  And at least a few of us play it specifically because it doesn't include this.

That's 25% that does want more of the succubus stuff, if you want to go by that metric :p. Anyway, I'm mainly in favour of this for the closing of the nutrient cycle and some synergy with other industries, let's not needlessly conflate issues, even if some people have trouble keeping their defecation and copulation separate.

[Ghills]

It's not the content, it's the graphic nature.  I mean, I don't object to people doing whatever IRL.  But I would object to them doing it on my lawn.  We all know that dwarves reproduce, but there are a ton of games/videos/whatevers you can go to for graphic content.  We don't need to make all the non-graphic playstyles more awkward to cater to an already over-served demographic, just like we don't need to make DF's 3D graphics better to cater to the Call of Duty gamers. 

If it's in the announcements lists, people have to see it.  Job-cancellation spam is annoying enough, we don't need to make announcements more cluttered and useless.

You may play violent, corpse-filled, concentration camp forts - I don't.  And DF supports both of our playstyles.  Adding graphic content into vanilla would support your playstyle at the expense of mine, which is what I object to.  As I noted, there is a mod for that if you really, really want it. 

The point with the Warhammer mod was that even a tiny, niche gaming system is more popular than graphic content.  It's a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction.

[Silverionmox]

It's not the content, it's the graphic nature.  I mean, I don't object to people doing whatever IRL.  But I would object to them doing it on my lawn.  We all know that dwarves reproduce, but there are a ton of games/videos/whatevers you can go to for graphic content.  We don't need to make all the non-graphic playstyles more awkward to cater to an already over-served demographic, just like we don't need to make DF's 3D graphics better to cater to the Call of Duty gamers.

Since when is text graphic? Why didn't you object to the combat reports as well? And as I said, detailed mating reports are simply not on the list, nor will they be.

If it's in the announcements lists, people have to see it.  Job-cancellation spam is annoying enough, we don't need to make announcements more cluttered and useless.

Announcements are intended to be fully configurable, and the standard settings will change every version for now.

You may play violent, corpse-filled, concentration camp forts - I don't. And DF supports both of our playstyles.

I don't either.

Adding graphic content into vanilla would support your playstyle at the expense of mine, which is what I object to.  As I noted, there is a mod for that if you really, really want it.

I hate to break the news to you, but the current DF does include the aforementioned possibilities, and you weren't put off by it, even though it was theoretically against your style. You won't be put off by putting more stuff like that in either.

The point with the Warhammer mod was that even a tiny, niche gaming system is more popular than graphic content.  It's a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction.

Are we talking about the same game? Every other thread on the forum has someone delightfully describing a different way some creatures died in their fort.