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Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo all the tons of stuff (s)he eats..once in a while

10 (6.1%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to have sex without calving like a bunny

17 (10.3%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. not necessarily at the same time

41 (24.8%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. EVEN at the same time (perversion++)

17 (10.3%)

No I'm ok without 'em EVER pooing AND having sex only ONCE per child

80 (48.5%)

Total Members Voted: 165

Voting closed: February 15, 2012, 06:08:04 pm

[DrPoo]

The violence in this game is incredibly, well, graphic isn't the right word, but detailed.  I have to question the morals of someone who has no problem with that but does with dwarven sex.

I agree, i find sex less disgusting than violence and shit(applied literally ITC)

[xRDVx]

I just want to point out - as others already have - the rather strange issue people have with poo (and say sex) while they are not troubled with the detailed violence in this game against, say, nobles, elves, goblins, etc. for sometimes no reason whatsoever or perhaps going unnecesary steps (or say, with socks, or a baby) to kill the enemies, often just for the sake of entertainment. I'd love to link to an example, but I'm sure everybody knows what I'm talking about.

While I've always wondered why there aren't certain.. activities implemented, I have trouble seeing it work in the current timescale.

As for my position: I stand neutral.

[Loud Whispers]

The violence in this game is incredibly, well, graphic isn't the right word, but detailed.  I have to question the morals of someone who has no problem with that but does with dwarven sex.

I agree, i find sex less disgusting than violence and shit(applied literally ITC)

And so why should it be implemented? Does it add to the enjoyment of the game somehow?

No.

[Yoink]

Actually, I think it would. I'm not saying it needs to become a weapon or anything, nor do our dwarves need to drown in it as some people have suggested, but as some slightly saner folk have said, it could be abstracted. A need to build a functional sewer system and such could add an interesting new challenge to the game, if you ask me.


[/serious]And besides, that episode of South Park taught me everyone poops when they die.

[Loud Whispers]

Doesn't sound enjoyable at all :/

[Yoink]

Doesn't sound enjoyable at all to me. :/

Fixed. Really, just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean no-one else is allowed to. 
To put it more crudely, why can dwarves vomit but not defecate, anyway? And why do the upcoming human cities have massive sewer systems which are bare of a single brown nugget? It's not like it's a vital feature or anything; it'd just add an extra layer of realism, not to mention a different challenge. Really, I'm more interested in necromancers, evil mists and the human cities themselves, as well as all the other lovely things coming in future releases, like the army arc, but this would be an interesting addition someday along the line.

[Loud Whispers]

Fixed. Really, just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean no-one else is allowed to. 

This better applies to you.

Look at the poll.

Now back at your post.

[Silverionmox]

I don't see what is disgusting and unhygienic in my description.

Its the part where you're handling human feces. You may have missed it.

DF is a computer game, not a LARP.

You enjoy stating obvious facts that have nothing at all to do with the conversation, don't you? Obviously I meant it would be disgusting and unhygenic for the dwarves, unless you honestly thought I expected you to act out everything which happens in DF? We're talking about creatures who are offended at the slightest smell of rotting plump helmet or roach carcass, and get an infection from a small cut simply because they don't quite understand hygiene. I doubt they would safely handle any kind of bodily waste without consequence.

Then you ought to be against all the vomit, body parts, butchery, combat etc. etc. that already is in the game, as getting your limbs cut off is a far greater risk then handling feces, something a majority of the settled world population has done an a regular basis at any point in history. Be a bit consistent.

[King DZA]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

[Silverionmox]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

The same can be said for any part of the game. It's the combination that makes it fun.

Besides, you'll probably just have to designate a different kind of dump zone, where the dwarves will go to once in a while. Downstream of the drinking zone, preferably. That's all the effort you have to make. It's a well in reverse.

[Evil One]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

Well, I'm sure a [NO_SHIT] tag could be added for those who just don't want to deal with this shit.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

Managing dwarf shit...

Don't you mean, turning it into catapult ammo and lobbing it at elves?

[Loud Whispers]

Well, I'm sure a [NO_SHIT] tag could be added for those who just don't want to deal with this shit.

Win.

[bombzero]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

DZA, you always seem pretty damn reasonable to me...


anyways, the general 'filth' idea is ok. but not wanting shit is not a matter of squeamishness, but one of not wanting to deal with an unnecessary feature. i just dont see the enjoyment in dealing with the shit and piss of 300 dwarfs, i already have to provide them with food, booze, sleeping quarters, protection, nice stuff, and a profitable industry.

another thing, DF is in ALPHA meaning while you may feel there isnt enough challenge right now, keep in mind the game is less than half done. far less.

so in all honesty it just does not seem like it would actually bring anything worthwhile to the game.
i wouldn't be horrified with it myself as you imply we all would. in fact i wish vomit and blood were proper liquids so i could pressurize them and blast enemies off of bridges, if shit were implemented i would likely just dump it into magma... so no, no real gameplay added.

[Ben_Hurr]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

DZA, you always seem pretty damn reasonable to me...


anyways, the general 'filth' idea is ok. but not wanting shit is not a matter of squeamishness, but one of not wanting to deal with an unnecessary feature. i just dont see the enjoyment in dealing with the shit and piss of 300 dwarfs, i already have to provide them with food, booze, sleeping quarters, protection, nice stuff, and a profitable industry.

another thing, DF is in ALPHA meaning while you may feel there isnt enough challenge right now, keep in mind the game is less than half done. far less.

so in all honesty it just does not seem like it would actually bring anything worthwhile to the game.
i wouldn't be horrified with it myself as you imply we all would. in fact i wish vomit and blood were proper liquids so i could pressurize them and blast enemies off of bridges, if shit were implemented i would likely just dump it into magma... so no, no real gameplay added.

Are you kidding?  DF is Unnecessary gameplay features: The Game.

However, I would find implementing a generic 'filth' liquid that caused disease and unhappiness unless safely disposed of could be an interesting engineering challenge.  I wouldn't really look forward to finding actual piles of crap everywhere in my fortress however.