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Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo all the tons of stuff (s)he eats..once in a while

10 (6.1%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to have sex without calving like a bunny

17 (10.3%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. not necessarily at the same time

41 (24.8%)

Yes I want my dwarves to need to poo AND have impregnation-less sex every now and then.. EVEN at the same time (perversion++)

17 (10.3%)

No I'm ok without 'em EVER pooing AND having sex only ONCE per child

80 (48.5%)

Total Members Voted: 165

Voting closed: February 15, 2012, 06:08:04 pm

[thobal]

Fixed. Really, just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean no-one else is allowed to. 

This better applies to you.

Look at the poll.

Now back at your post.

Looks like people in favor of sex and/or excrement have a slim majority over the "none of either crowd".

It's probably within the margin of error.

[G-Flex]

Lots of sources for error, here. For one thing, there are effectively more "yes" than "no" options, and for another thing, there's one option that's just an obvious joke.

[bombzero]

man if you want it for the game to be harder, go download masterwork DF or reph's intensifying mod.

until toady gets anywhere withing a year of implementing more basic needs, this just wont come up as relevant.
when toady announces hes going to be implementing this kinda stuff, i request someone starts a new thread, with a less biased poll, and a reasonable opening argument for or against it.

[knutor]

Urist McDwarf cancels: construct building. Getting laid.

Urist McDwarf cancels: getting laid. Taking break.

[drilltooth]

Are you kidding?  DF is Unnecessary gameplay features: The Game.

However, I would find implementing a generic 'filth' liquid that caused disease and unhappiness unless safely disposed of could be an interesting engineering challenge.  I wouldn't really look forward to finding actual piles of crap everywhere in my fortress however. 

according to the wiki, there are two. a yellow liquid, and a brown solid. not sure about the effects they have, though.

[Loud Whispers]

Looks like people in favor of sex and/or excrement have a slim majority over the "none of either crowd".

It's probably within the margin of error.

Not at the time of posting.

[Babylon]

Ineed, it really goes to show how strange our society is these days... A movie can include people being gunned down in droves, decapitated and split open by battleaxes and only garner an M or MA rating, but one graphic sex scene? Oh noes!

Actually, unnecessary violence pisses me off just as much as unnecessary sex. That's why all violence that takes place in my forts is completely and unquestionably justified.

As much as some people may not want to hear it, there is a point in games where realism must be sacrificed for fun. I'm sorry, but managing dwarf shit isn't what most people would consider a fun and exciting activity.

DZA, you always seem pretty damn reasonable to me...


anyways, the general 'filth' idea is ok. but not wanting shit is not a matter of squeamishness, but one of not wanting to deal with an unnecessary feature. i just dont see the enjoyment in dealing with the shit and piss of 300 dwarfs, i already have to provide them with food, booze, sleeping quarters, protection, nice stuff, and a profitable industry.

another thing, DF is in ALPHA meaning while you may feel there isnt enough challenge right now, keep in mind the game is less than half done. far less.

so in all honesty it just does not seem like it would actually bring anything worthwhile to the game.
i wouldn't be horrified with it myself as you imply we all would. in fact i wish vomit and blood were proper liquids so i could pressurize them and blast enemies off of bridges, if shit were implemented i would likely just dump it into magma... so no, no real gameplay added.

IN real life dealing with poop is a huge challenge.  Cholera wiped out cities throughout history and still does in the third world.  That's not the only disease carried by feces, but it's the best known one and it has absolutely had a major effect on history and on city planning.  For all of those who argue that the game is not hard enough, not challenging enough, adding feces management would add a new type of challenge.

As far as dumping it into magma, that's all well and good, so long as whoever's feces it is doesn't have a syndrome, then whoever is hauling it to the magma could contract that syndrome.  And perhaps the dwarf with the syndrome didn't neatly deposit it in a bucket, maybe it had to be cleaned off the walls and floors when Urist Mcpoopypants exploded into a burst of diorrhea and vomit.

[Babylon]

man if you want it for the game to be harder, go download masterwork DF or reph's intensifying mod.

until toady gets anywhere withing a year of implementing more basic needs, this just wont come up as relevant.
when toady announces hes going to be implementing this kinda stuff, i request someone starts a new thread, with a less biased poll, and a reasonable opening argument for or against it.

Sure, if the challenge you want is military.  Part of why I like Dwarf Fortress is that it is actually relatively easy to defend against military threats.  What usually kills my fortresses is either some sort of engineering screwup or a tantrum spiral.

[bombzero]

I don't want dwarf fortress to be half about dealing with shit. which is exactly what this suggestion would do to the game. (seeing goonstation players in here honestly doesn't reinforce the 'for' side of the argument.)

[forsaken1111]

What exactly is a goonstation?

[knutor]

What exactly is a goonstation?

Dunno, forsaken1111.  It sounds like stereotyping, based off of another game.  Closest thing I could find is Space Station 13.

Sincerely,
Knutor

[Silverionmox]

I don't want dwarf fortress to be half about dealing with shit. which is exactly what this suggestion would do to the game. (seeing goonstation players in here honestly doesn't reinforce the 'for' side of the argument.)

I don't see how goonstation players affect your game... unless you are one yourself.

For example, you designate a defecation zone. If it's in a river, preferably downstream your drinking zone. If it's in the woods, you might need to zone a new one once every five years if your population is large. You might have more dwarves annoyed by flies. But that's about it: no more than you need to do to to provide water, just in the reverse, and similarly with the option to dig a well, but in the reverse. Most importantly, you'd get the option to build a compost pile building, that spontaneously deconstructs into a few items of fertilizer after a four or five months (automated like render fat would be nice). It really wouldn't be much more than this in a basic form. I'd prefer to add the liquid, for the tanner and various chemical applications, too.

[forsaken1111]

Knowing this community, the instant body waste is implemented we will have threads with such titles as:

"How to maximize dwarven urination? I need more tannery chemicals!"

"My dwarves are shitting all over the dining hall omg!"

"Why won't my dwarves haul shit to the farm?!?"

"Hey when did they implement poop?"

"LOL i modded elves to shit rainbows"

[Silverionmox]

Knowing this community, the instant body waste is implemented we will have threads with such titles as:

"How to maximize dwarven urination? I need more tannery chemicals!"

"My dwarves are shitting all over the dining hall omg!"

"Why won't my dwarves haul shit to the farm?!?"

"Hey when did they implement poop?"

"LOL i modded elves to shit rainbows"

Apparently the poo problem lies with the community, not the game, with or without feces. Why aren't you complaining also about the people killing traders for fun, or farming merfolk for profit? Because that's exactly the same phenomenon.

[forsaken1111]

Apparently the poo problem lies with the community, not the game, with or without feces. Why aren't you complaining also about the people killing traders for fun, or farming merfolk for profit? Because that's exactly the same phenomenon.

I think you misunderstood. I wasn't complaining... I think this community is hilarious and fantastic.