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[Gizogin]

the majority still ask for, and receive, pain relieving drugs in modern hospitals

Depends where you are.  I was born in England, as were my younger brother and sister, without my mother requiring (or being offered) any painkillers whatsoever.  My youngest brother was born in the USA, and my mother was given painkillers, which she claims she needed because the doctors were incompetent.  I don't claim to be an accurate judge (I'm biased in favor of England, because it's better), and it may be worth noting that my youngest brother was the heaviest of the four of us.

[Loud Whispers]

I don't get people who criticise doctors :d

Also, considering the DF part of this thread has already been covered, shouldn't it be locked or something?

[bombzero]

slight agreement with Loud Whispers than a hypocritical reply.


as far as getting limbs chopped off goes, it would hurt less to have the entirety of your arm removed violently, then it would to have a cut going from shoulder to wrist.

the reason for this is that the skin has most of your bodies pain receptors, while organs have quite few. this may not seem logical considering that organs seem to hurt more if injured, but that is because they are really ever injured normally.

so overall, from a DF standpoint (assuming DF is semi-accurate on this) multiple skin and fat injuries would hurt a hell of a lot more than a missing limb.

[Elf Lover]

Unlike members of other species, female dwarves have an extremely high pain threshold compared to the men. Mostly because they use their babies to protect them.

[Loud Whispers]

Unlike members of other species, female dwarves have an extremely high pain threshold compared to the men. Mostly because they use their babies to protect them.

The hidden factor

[Poindexterity]

slight agreement with Loud Whispers than a hypocritical reply.


as far as getting limbs chopped off goes, it would hurt less to have the entirety of your arm removed violently, then it would to have a cut going from shoulder to wrist.

the reason for this is that the skin has most of your bodies pain receptors, while organs have quite few. this may not seem logical considering that organs seem to hurt more if injured, but that is because they are really ever injured normally.

so overall, from a DF standpoint (assuming DF is semi-accurate on this) multiple skin and fat injuries would hurt a hell of a lot more than a missing limb.

i think THIS is probably the actual explanation for the phenomenon i was witnessing.

[bombzero]

slight agreement with Loud Whispers than a hypocritical reply.


as far as getting limbs chopped off goes, it would hurt less to have the entirety of your arm removed violently, then it would to have a cut going from shoulder to wrist.

the reason for this is that the skin has most of your bodies pain receptors, while organs have quite few. this may not seem logical considering that organs seem to hurt more if injured, but that is because they are really ever injured normally.

so overall, from a DF standpoint (assuming DF is semi-accurate on this) multiple skin and fat injuries would hurt a hell of a lot more than a missing limb.

i think THIS is probably the actual explanation for the phenomenon i was witnessing.

my theory is based on DF being semi-accurate to RL. soooo maybe. also, here is a thought for you. fat in DF acts like natural armor, however heat damage is primarily via fat melting. so a military of fatasses would be good against regular enemies. but if a dragon, or anything with fire comes, your military is fucked.

[i2amroy]

as far as getting limbs chopped off goes, it would hurt less to have the entirety of your arm removed violently, then it would to have a cut going from shoulder to wrist.

the reason for this is that the skin has most of your bodies pain receptors, while organs have quite few. this may not seem logical considering that organs seem to hurt more if injured, but that is because they are really ever injured normally.

If you take the scenario at a given point in time, then yes. However because the nerve ends are actually exposed completely with a limb severance as opposed to still being partly shielded by any remaining flesh/bone around them, in reality severed nerve endings tend to be stimulated more and as such send more "pain" signals then those still somewhat shielded. (Of course the type/exact location of the long cut would have a large effect on exactly how much pain it caused.

Also on the female/male pain tolerance levels all of the college professors that I have talked to have said the same thing, that in general males have a greater pain tolerance then females except during childbirth when there are so many crazy chemicals in the female bloodstream. Note that this is just in general, and the overall variance in individuals is still very large. Think of it as saying that the male average pain tolerance is a 55% and the female a 45% when the range caused by individuals goes from a 15% to an 85%.

[Osmosis Jones]

Citing mythbusters, women averaged a higher pain tolerance over all (ep 142, No pain no gain). That said, I can't remember if they compared pain tolerances of pre and post pregnancy women; given pain is rated on a subjective scale, 10 being the worst pain imaginable, this would seem to be a major oversight.

Of course women who have experienced what has been described as akin to crapping a large grapefruit or small watermelon (my friend was training to be a midwife at the time, she actually just gave birth last week too, and thats pretty well verbatim) will have a greater tolerance to pain, just as a man who has experienced several kicks to the dangly bits will be. The real test is; what is the difference between male and female 20-somethings who have *not* experienced either event?

[The Axiom]

Bay12 Forums have to be the only place on the planet that a topic such as this can have both in-game and real world related discussion going on at the same time without deteriorating into a massive cesspit of verbal diarrhea.

I am somewhat surprised and in awe.

[Loud Whispers]

I am somewhat surprised and in awe.

Tis the magic of the internet.

Also, I believe the mythbuster guys did test women who had given birth, and they tended to fare better (albeit slightly. But still noticeable).

[Farmerbob]

slight agreement with Loud Whispers than a hypocritical reply.


as far as getting limbs chopped off goes, it would hurt less to have the entirety of your arm removed violently, then it would to have a cut going from shoulder to wrist.

the reason for this is that the skin has most of your bodies pain receptors, while organs have quite few. this may not seem logical considering that organs seem to hurt more if injured, but that is because they are really ever injured normally.

so overall, from a DF standpoint (assuming DF is semi-accurate on this) multiple skin and fat injuries would hurt a hell of a lot more than a missing limb.

From a real world injury point-of-view I can state that for the first few seconds that I did actually feel pain before the adrenaline and such turned on and the pain turned off when I had my hand mangled, it felt no worse than smacking the hand with a hammer.  I've had more painful headaches.  Now, after the tinyalysis surgery to remove scar tissue from around the tendons a year later (butchered spelling, I'm sure) THAT was brutally painful, easily the worst pain I have ever felt, until I finally got on top of it with pain meds and got to sleep.  The next day I was fine, but the pain the night after the scar removal surgery was atrocious.

Could really make an argument either way for internal pain, but I think the two are differentiable because one was crude blunt trauma followed by a fight-or-flight reaction, and the other was clean surgery with no fight-or-flight adrenal reaction.

For me there was no difference after the first 24 hours after each incident, but the pain levels were staggeringly more intense after the surgery than after the accident.

[bombzero]

From a real world injury point-of-view I can state that for the first few seconds that I did actually feel pain before the adrenaline and such turned on and the pain turned off when I had my hand mangled, it felt no worse than smacking the hand with a hammer.  I've had more painful headaches.  Now, after the tinyalysis surgery to remove scar tissue from around the tendons a year later (butchered spelling, I'm sure) THAT was brutally painful, easily the worst pain I have ever felt, until I finally got on top of it with pain meds and got to sleep.  The next day I was fine, but the pain the night after the scar removal surgery was atrocious.

Could really make an argument either way for internal pain, but I think the two are differentiable because one was crude blunt trauma followed by a fight-or-flight reaction, and the other was clean surgery with no fight-or-flight adrenal reaction.

For me there was no difference after the first 24 hours after each incident, but the pain levels were staggeringly more intense after the surgery than after the accident.

and thats the issue, adrenaline. not simulated in dwarf fortress except maybe with martial trances. however some arena testing showed more pain resulting from an entire arm of bruised fat and skin, then from a cut off arm. still not too conclusive due to possible randomness, but ill keep working at it.

[Funk]

df is good a modeling psychological shock, so often massive injurys take a few minutes to sink in.

i can tell you that things like broken bones,mangled fingers, burns dont hurt at first, but once your out of danger your body say now that was a dumb move have some pain.

[Oliolli]

By my experience burns don't even hurt.