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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #285 on: February 07, 2012, 11:39:33 pm »

ToonyMan:
I think he's just being too happy with himself.  Whether it's from playing around with you and convincing himself he got you good or you're actually scum and he's on to something are two different things.  I can't say I agree with his methods but I think they work.  Heck I've done it in past games as town even if it's a way to get some people to hate you, especially the target of the trick.
He's refusing to explain himself, though, despite doing and saying some very questionable things. It doesn't do any good to find out scum by enraging them if their rage is entirely justified and you make yourself look like scum in the process.

On that note, what do you think of his claim about his knowledge of my kill?


You're being stubborn because you keep butting heads with Webadict over the same issue.  You need to approach a different way or do something else, well do that or wait and see I guess.  But wait and seeing isn't a town-move.  Anyway, being stubborn can hurt because you end up shitting up the thread with words words words words and it gives nervous town and mafia the perfect opportunity to sit back and watch the show.
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm butting heads with him over the same issue because he won't explain it satisfactorily. I'm not sure what other approach I could try when he flatly refuses to explain something I find suspicious.



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I did address your post. Your post has no solid facts, proof, or a real argument, and you have admitted that. The fact that it sucks as much as you is not surprising.

Not only that, but your flat refusal to defend yourself is scummy. You have lied. This is proven. Do I need to show you? Alright, why don't you just lie back and I'll show you. You're good at that.
Another prime example of slinging shit. If I've admitted to my post being utterly worthless, maybe you should quote me? Might that be a useful example for myself and others to see?

But no, because it never happened. Also, "this is proven" is technically a lie as well, since it wasn't at the time of writing that. You're bad at this.

Lying about your role to out someone you didn't suspect
This is a lie. Right here! I never ONCE claimed to be a Watchman. That was you rolefishing. You were rolefishing the entire time.
True! I did just assume that. Of course, since the alternatives were that you just happened to guess correctly, and did so to test out someone you didn't actually suspect, or that your buddy who's got the role told you, I don't see how this was an unreasonable assumption. Even if I had assumed you were scum from the very start, I don't see why I'd have assumed you were that ballsy or suicidal.

So yes, it's untrue, but it's blatantly obvious why I would assume it is. The fact that you, once again, fail utterly to explain why it's supposed to be scummy confirms this.


As for the rolefishing, that's yet more bullshit. I feel like I should start numbering these or something. There's two very obvious reasons why.

For starters, I've already explained why I had no reason to assume you weren't an actioncop, which the notion of rolefishing obviously requires. So, this pretty much fails right here.

But even if that wasn't enough, you've provided a very nice secondary reason why it clearly wasn't rolefishing- you didn't mention it as such until very recently. If I'd really been rolefishing you this entire time, there'd have been no real reason not for you to call me out on it as well. You didn't, so we can safely surmise that this is yet more bullshit you came up with after the fact.

Dropping the issue until they attack you
Honestly, you were the one freaking out over claiming yourself. The fact that you continually OMGUS me is a fact that you're a whiny whore, and I'm surprised you're so easy. To trick.
The "freaking out" and OMGUSing you're referring to is attacking you over this.

Refusing to answer questions
Oh boy! Not only is this an argument against me in EVERY SINGLE GAME EVER, it's also the stupidest one. It's basically for those people that believe their questions are so magnificent that they must be answered, but usually they're not. Show me a question of relevance that I didn't answer.
That could take a while. Answering everything in the post before you shrugged and said "lololol I don't even have a role" would be more thorough.

Slinging bullshit
Right. Doesn't provide quotes for this because it never happened. Instead, instavotes me after I claim townie because he got tricked.
webadict complaining about a lack of quotes. Hoo boy. If you'd like actual quotes I can certainly provide them, but I think this is yet more slinging bullshit. If it wasn't, you'd probably be fonder of the tactic yourself.

The second sentence, on the other hand, is a superb and definite example. The notion that it was an "instavote" is fairly laughable in itself, given that I'd not only been attacking you and informing you that I was displeased with your horseshit earlier, but I'd actually stated that I wasn't far from voting you.

The notion that I did so because I got tricked is arguably even stupider. I mean, for one thing, I've been over why your not having a role pretty much guarantees you as scum anyway, so even if it was based on that one post, "you're scum" would be a much more likely reason than "I dun been tricked!" Additionally, that also happened to be the post where you gave up any pretense of defending yourself and said "lololololol i trikt u!", which was the actual main reason. Do I need to explain why that's not townlike behavior?

I've found a scumadict. I'm sure your actioncop buddy appreciates taking the fall for him.
You've found jack squat. The fact that you THINK you found me is laughable at best, and you're really just getting on your knees and hoping you're right.
I shouldn't even respond to this because it's a waste of space, but I can't help but notice the votecount.

Have fun with that.


Wait, what? Bolded for emphasis; did you just admit that you think I'm town or something?


Hehehe...

Man, you are such a liar.

You can tell how much someone pays attention by their words. You see, there's a multitude of lies in here.

First of all, kills are a good indication of mafia. This is a fact, and indisputable. Go ahead and try.
Second of all, he never claimed who he killed, and yet blames me for claiming vigilante.
Third, a 50%ish chance someone is scum is GOOD ODDS. In fact, better odds than most people. Prove that wrong.
Fourth, he was using my reasoning as a defense for him killing, which is NOT a good reason. He then turns this around on me, because apparently if I wanted Glyph dead, that means it's alright for Irony to have no other reason to kill him.
Fifth, you were tricked. You just love tricks. You perform them on a daily basis, I'm sure.
Sixth, you OMGUSed me. Nice try trying to make it sound like I OMGUSed you.
Seventh, I don't swear.
Eighth, you are the one that has ignored every single argument except your own.
Ninth, do you even listen to yourself? Though, I suppose that's tough to do with your mouth full. Have to make money somehow, eh?
Tenth, you have yet to counter my arguments. Probably because you can't.
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IronyOwl: You can either agree to follow the town consensus on who to kill at night or you will be lynched.  Otherwise you could keep performing scum kills normally.  Understand?  Kicking up a fuss with webadict will not allow you to slink away and not follow the town consensus.
This sounds like you don't think I'm a vig. Do you think I'm a vig?
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #286 on: February 08, 2012, 12:13:40 am »

ToonyMan:
I think he's just being too happy with himself.  Whether it's from playing around with you and convincing himself he got you good or you're actually scum and he's on to something are two different things.  I can't say I agree with his methods but I think they work.  Heck I've done it in past games as town even if it's a way to get some people to hate you, especially the target of the trick.
He's refusing to explain himself, though, despite doing and saying some very questionable things. It doesn't do any good to find out scum by enraging them if their rage is entirely justified and you make yourself look like scum in the process.

On that note, what do you think of his claim about his knowledge of my kill?
He himself admitted he pulled a daring stunt which miraculously did get a result from you.  I just find the chances of him doing that actually get a result being slim to none.  I can't really get a read beyond that though.

You're being stubborn because you keep butting heads with Webadict over the same issue.  You need to approach a different way or do something else, well do that or wait and see I guess.  But wait and seeing isn't a town-move.  Anyway, being stubborn can hurt because you end up shitting up the thread with words words words words and it gives nervous town and mafia the perfect opportunity to sit back and watch the show.
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm butting heads with him over the same issue because he won't explain it satisfactorily. I'm not sure what other approach I could try when he flatly refuses to explain something I find suspicious.
Well, I just went over your agonizingly long post and I don't see any thing changing.  By that I mean I see nothing of substance being born.  It looks like a word festival to see who runs out of breathe first and it's exactly what I'm talking about.

Also my target dropped, which sucks.  So I'm going to unvote and move my vote over to Mr. Dariush, do you bandwagon and OMGUS for fun or is it more professional than that?  I want your thoughts on somebody other than Webadict for once.

And a post by NativeForeigner would be nice too.  Are you going to change your vote to somebody else now that PowderMiner dropped?

Ottofar is not playing the game.  We can either lynch him and send out a message to lurkers or have him around as a liability forever while allowing other lurkers to go unphased.
This I also agree with you, ugh.  I wish everybody had the right to a second lurker vote just to clean up the bottom crap each day.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #287 on: February 08, 2012, 03:54:50 am »

Leafsnail: While I did and do consider the possibility that Irony is an SK, my read of him has been and continues to be town-leaning. And I still feel that's irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is namely Webadict's handling of the situation. He's been trying to exert control and becoming extremely aggravated since, which suggests to me that he is trying to purposefully maneuver into a puppet master position as scum. I figured he was scum with some sort of tracking ability on his team, which let him find out that Irony did the kill in the first place. As for Irony, while I do believe that controlling him is important, I believe that the process is really rather quite simple:

Irony: Kill whoever we agree to have you kill tonight or I will see you hanged.

Was that so hard? Instead of setting up a simple contract as such, Webadict's been attempting to exert control and show how powerful he is, suggesting to me an urge to show false towniness and thus be scum.

Toony: I'm... not deflecting the issue? Yes, I haven't been posting a lot. It's been busy. I'm not sure what else I can say. My 'little bold posts' have been doing questioning, gathering facts, and making attacks as I can.
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I feel no inclination to answer them because they--and by relation, you--serve no point.
Oh you magnificent bastard. And by magnificent bastard, I mean self-obsessed scum.

I want your thoughts on somebody other than Webadict for once.
Hey, I already stated my thoughts on you. Which neatly netted me your OMGUS.

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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #289 on: February 08, 2012, 08:34:18 am »

With this latest assignment I think I'm going to have to request a replacement.

Not that I'd played it properly even before this.

I'll try to post if I can, but yeah.

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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #290 on: February 08, 2012, 02:06:00 pm »

IronyOwl: You can either agree to follow the town consensus on who to kill at night or you will be lynched.  Otherwise you could keep performing scum kills normally.  Understand?  Kicking up a fuss with webadict will not allow you to slink away and not follow the town consensus.
This sounds like you don't think I'm a vig. Do you think I'm a vig?
I'm leaning SK.  But if you're prepared to follow what the town wants you to do then I don't care about whether you're a vig or an SK for now.  If you continue to insist on choosing your victims yourself then we can't allow you to live.

Leafsnail: While I did and do consider the possibility that Irony is an SK, my read of him has been and continues to be town-leaning. And I still feel that's irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is namely Webadict's handling of the situation.
The issue at hand is whether you're scum or not.  The fact that your posts contain a clear contradiction which you seem to be unable to explain is therefore relevant.

Webadict. You're grandstanding scum who's trying to bring the vigilante issue to the forefront to bring greater control on them to prevent them from hitting scum.
This is your first post on the matter.  You're voting webadict because he's trying to make Irony follow consensus when killing in future.  You are clearly coming out against the idea of IronyOwl's kill being controlled, a sentiment that only seems to make sense if you hadn't considered the possibility of him being scum at that point.

He's been trying to exert control and becoming extremely aggravated since, which suggests to me that he is trying to purposefully maneuver into a puppet master position as scum. I figured he was scum with some sort of tracking ability on his team, which let him find out that Irony did the kill in the first place.
Webadict becomes plenty aggravated as both town and scum.  If he was a tracker, why make a big fuss about it in the day rather than just quietly kill him on the next night?

As for Irony, while I do believe that controlling him is important, I believe that the process is really rather quite simple:

Irony: Kill whoever we agree to have you kill tonight or I will see you hanged.
So you're doing exactly what you initially voted webadict for?  I'm not buying your "too townie looking" fallacy.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #291 on: February 08, 2012, 03:00:21 pm »

You know what, Irony? Fine. I don't even care if you're scum anymore. Why? Because I got my way. You have to kill for the Town. If you don't, you die. Sweet! That's all I really wanted.

Think0028 is instead way more scummy. Whereas your psychological state is set to lash out at me for reasons of idiocy and being tricked, Think0028 has no real reason to vote for me.

Apparently, you seem to have forgotten, Irony, that my suspect from yesterday died. So, starting Today, I was going off my gut. The fact that you miraculously fell for the trap is staggering. Your putting your role and life above the town's win is ridiculous, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you're town. You're also still freaking out, and it's annoying that you have wasted the entire Day doing nothing, unless your overall grand scheme was to catch someone being scummy by agreeing with your poorly-constructed argument.

Now, as for Think0028:
Leafsnail: While I did and do consider the possibility that Irony is an SK, my read of him has been and continues to be town-leaning. And I still feel that's irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is namely Webadict's handling of the situation. He's been trying to exert control and becoming extremely aggravated since, which suggests to me that he is trying to purposefully maneuver into a puppet master position as scum. I figured he was scum with some sort of tracking ability on his team, which let him find out that Irony did the kill in the first place. As for Irony, while I do believe that controlling him is important, I believe that the process is really rather quite simple:

Irony: Kill whoever we agree to have you kill tonight or I will see you hanged.

Was that so hard? Instead of setting up a simple contract as such, Webadict's been attempting to exert control and show how powerful he is, suggesting to me an urge to show false towniness and thus be scum.

Toony: I'm... not deflecting the issue? Yes, I haven't been posting a lot. It's been busy. I'm not sure what else I can say. My 'little bold posts' have been doing questioning, gathering facts, and making attacks as I can.
Da fudge? So, the fact that you're finally saying he has to kill for the Town is SOMEHOW counter to my plan where he has to kill for the Town? That doesn't make any sense!

You voted me for that! I literally don't know what else I can say that Leafsnail didn't bring up! I can barely even keep my hands on my keyboard to type this, because I'm doing that hand thing where you wonder how someone can possibly have done their previous action!

And I really did miss that "IronyOwl might be an SK, but we shouldn't tell him who to kill" thing. I was too busy being dumbfounded by IronyOwl's arguments. I'm playing one mafia at a time from now on.

He's been trying to exert control and becoming extremely aggravated since, which suggests to me that he is trying to purposefully maneuver into a puppet master position as scum. I figured he was scum with some sort of tracking ability on his team, which let him find out that Irony did the kill in the first place.
Webadict becomes plenty aggravated as both town and scum.  If he was a tracker, why make a big fuss about it in the day rather than just quietly kill him on the next night?
Why was that argument so hard to grasp for everyone else?!? Why would I waste my time telling people that IronyOwl was a power role if I were scum?! That's the OPPOSITE of what I'd want to do! Instead, I'd want to passively make IronyOwl look scummy during the Day and then kill him at Night, without alerting people that he was a power role! Either that, or subconsciously alert him as to who to kill! Not only would alerting everyone cause people to possibly protect him at Night, but if he died, then I'd come to the forefront of the whole thing! I'm not an idiot! I don't suddenly lose 100 IQ when I play scum! In fact, I think even MORE about my decisions as scum because scum resources are more limited than the Town's!

So, that point is to Think, I guess, and not you Leaf. I'm just mindblown by what some people think scum do.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #292 on: February 08, 2012, 03:01:13 pm »

I want your thoughts on somebody other than Webadict for once.
Hey, I already stated my thoughts on you. Which neatly netted me your OMGUS.
This is amazingly helpful and content worthy.  It's insane how you can dodge an issue like this.  Who else is there??  Stop being an idiot about myself and fucking Webadict.  In your damn post I just quoted from you said nothing content worthy about Webadict besides stupid comments!  You are just following IronyOwl's attack and sneaking in for a lynch.

On the issue of IronyOwl's kill.  I think it would be best if he vigged somebody like Ottofar or PowderMiner.  That way we don't have to waste a lynch guessing on a lurker I guess they're dropped players now and can actually attack scum who will talk back.

Toony: I'm... not deflecting the issue? Yes, I haven't been posting a lot. It's been busy. I'm not sure what else I can say. My 'little bold posts' have been doing questioning, gathering facts, and making attacks as I can.
Leafsnail pulled the busy card too.  I guess you're going to gather facts until we're all dead then?
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #293 on: February 08, 2012, 03:10:58 pm »

This is amazingly helpful and content worthy.  It's insane how you can dodge an issue like this.  Who else is there??  Stop being an idiot about myself and fucking Webadict.  In your damn post I just quoted from you said nothing content worthy about Webadict besides stupid comments!  You are just following IronyOwl's attack and sneaking in for a lynch.
Okay, now this is a break under pressure if I ever saw one. Seriously, you're flat-out telling me to look for other targets besides you and your scumbuddy.

Also, follow up on IO's attack? Wait what. My original argument against Wuba was that he voted me without any reasons and ignored two requests to actually state those reasons. I don't see what IO has got to do with that.

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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #294 on: February 08, 2012, 03:20:06 pm »

This is amazingly helpful and content worthy.  It's insane how you can dodge an issue like this.  Who else is there??  Stop being an idiot about myself and fucking Webadict.  In your damn post I just quoted from you said nothing content worthy about Webadict besides stupid comments!  You are just following IronyOwl's attack and sneaking in for a lynch.
Okay, now this is a break under pressure if I ever saw one. Seriously, you're flat-out telling me to look for other targets besides you and your scumbuddy.

Also, follow up on IO's attack? Wait what. My original argument against Wuba was that he voted me without any reasons and ignored two requests to actually state those reasons. I don't see what IO has got to do with that.
You want my reason?

Dude, it's 'cause of your post right here:
Irony, you have a... rather relaxed way of claiming vig. Also, why did you kill GG if he would have been likely lynched today anyway?

Think, why did you ask Ottofar what we should be doing?
The fact that I paid no attention to you is because IronyOwl was hogging a fair majority of it to play the dumbest game of No, you. You're basically random-voting, and I don't see how having a relaxed way of claiming makes someone scum. And your second portion doesn't make any sense, seeing as how he was saving everyone some time. Explain how that is a bad thing!

And, seriously, if and when I flip Town, does that mean ToonyMan is Town? Because your logic is wholly flawed on the basis that I'm scum, which I'm not, so awesome.

And can I at least get an Extend, seeing as how I'm beng voted by someone that needs replacement, someone who's mad at being tricked, someone who's mad at being ignored because he does nothing anyhow, and someone who's a major hypocrite.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - I should have saved "Commandowned" for today [Day 2]
« Reply #295 on: February 08, 2012, 03:40:31 pm »

Yeah we need more input on IronyOwl's kill tonight too.  Extend.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - Infiltrated! [Day 1]
« Reply #296 on: February 08, 2012, 10:25:42 pm »

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner:
Orangebottle:
Powder Miner: NativeForeigner
Think0028: webadict
Ottofar: Orangebottle, Leafsnail
Dariush: ToonyMan
ToonyMan:
webadict: Powder Miner, Dariush, Think0028, IronyOwl
IronyOwl:
Leafsnail:

Not Voting:  Ottofar

Day 2 will last until Wednesday 2/8 at 11 PM EST, 35 minutes from now.

Two requests to extend.  Four total needed to extend the day.

Ottofar has requested a replacement.
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Actually, you yourself claim that he ignores 90% of questions. Why are you specifically interested in those two I mentioned?

Cause I couldn't find the second question, which was pretty damn vague if you ask me.


Good lord, these walls of text. What the fuck?
Am I expected to read all this?
If someone asked me a question in that mountain, could you quote it in your next post? The only one I could be bothered to find was Dariush's, and that's because it's in a relatively small post.

One thing I notice, glancing over all this text, is that you all talk about how Irony should kill someone that we all agree on. Yet, nobody's even suggesting a target!
I nominate Ottofar, since he clearly wasn't playing the game(and never does), and he just asked for a replacement. So, he isn't even here to answer any questions or give us any reads at all.

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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - Infiltrated! [Day 1]
« Reply #298 on: February 08, 2012, 11:18:54 pm »

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner:
Orangebottle:
Powder Miner: NativeForeigner
Think0028: webadict
Ottofar: Orangebottle, Leafsnail
Dariush: ToonyMan
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webadict: Powder Miner, Dariush, Think0028, IronyOwl
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Not Voting:  Ottofar

There is a heated discussion today about who saw who doing what.  It is eventually decided that Webadict stands the best chance of being a ninja.  He starts swearing.

"To hell with you all!  You'll never find the ninjas like this!  You might as well give up now!  Why don't you all just go suck a-"  A bullet silences him.  After a review, you determine he is with the commando side, and indeed had good experience in tracking people.  He can't help you any more.

The question is raised to IronyOwl if he plans to kill anyone tonight.  He pauses, seeming to think, and opens his mouth as if to reply.  Instead of sound, a trickle of blood seeps out.  He gasps, chokes, and falls over, his eyes rolling back.  Everyone rushes to his aid, but he's very dead.  Checking his tent, you find his heavy gunner's manual, and his prized shotgun hidden in his sleeping bag.  Elaine, the inscription says.  She's a widow now- the fate of the lovers of commandos.

With trepidation, you all go to your tents.  Things are not going well...


Webadict has been lynched!  He was a Tracker (Town).

IronyOwl has died of poison!  He was a Gunner (Town).

Night 2 has begun!  Night 2 will last until Thursday 2/9 at 11 PM EST.


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Your experience is in the wilds and wildernesses of the world.  No area is too remote for a commando of your caliber.  As such, you’re able to track humans and animals through the most unforgiving of terrain.  You can use this ability to follow someone every night to see where they go.  Hopefully this will give you an edge in figuring out who you can trust.

(Night) - You follow target player.  You will be told who, if anyone, they visit, but not what they are doing.

You win when the Ninjas are killed.

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You’re the best gunman in this group of commandos.  When the group agreed to secure the arms, you didn’t quite follow instructions.  Sure, you turned in your standard-issue SMG.  You even handed over your trusty sidearm.  But not Elaine.  Sweet, faithful Elaine.  You and Elaine (the 12-gauge shotgun) have been together for fifteen years.  You love her and adore her more than any woman in the world.  No man or beast will separate you from Elaine.  You and Elaine will be doing some hunting of your own.  Unfortunately, you have managed to get this far with only two shells, so you’ll only be able to make two kills.

(Night, 2-Shot) - You kill target player.

You win when the Ninjas are killed.
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Re: Bad Dudes Mafia - Even More Commandownage [Night 2] [Two Replacements needed]
« Reply #299 on: February 10, 2012, 12:30:34 am »

The group gathers in the morning with the notable absence of ToonyMan.  You walk to his tent, but find nothing there.  The group splits up, and eventually a shout is given.  His body is lying in a pool of blood- he has been stabbed in the back.  Apparently he was watching someone, but who or what he saw is anyone’s guess.

The arguing begins quickly.


ToonyMan has been killed!  He was a Pointman (Town).


Day 3 has begun!  Day 3 will last until Tuesday 2/14 at 11 PM EST.


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You’re the point man of this operation, as your years of training and experience as a scout has given you keep observational abilities.  You are able to sit motionless for long periods of time and observe anything ceaselessly.  As such, you’ll be able to watch one person a night and see who comes to visit them.

(Night) - You watch target player.  You will be told the names of all players who visit that person, though not what they were doing there.

You win when the Ninjas are killed.
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HMR stands for Hazardous Materials Requisition, not Horrible Massive Ruination, though I can understand how one could get confused.
God help us if we have to agree on pizza toppings at some point. There will be no survivors.
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