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[Toaster]

Now that's interesting, Dariush.  Native doesn't kill Book for whatever reason, and you immediately vote Book without even addressing a question to Native.  Trying to distract from your scumbuddy not doing what he was supposed to do?

[webadict]

Woohoo! I'm not dead! Why am I not dead? I thought I'd be dead. I think you guys are just afraid of the infinite pain the Wall of Flesh would unleash unto you.

A night action claim would be nice. In the mean time, I vote webadict, for leading the lynch on Leafsnail, who flipped town, and for muddying the issue.

So, how many townie corpses on the floor are needed before people admit the "D1 Mass Claim" thing does not help town? I ask everyone yet again: Who is scum and why? You've not managed to find even one of them!

I reset penngo.

Yeah, probably not. Might work better in a game where roles are static, and not a game like a BYOR.

Leafsnail was the only one that made sense to remove an auto ability, which is pretty much the only thing I was going off of.

The problem is, though, if you're a Survivor, then we're screwed. If you're not, then we're also pretty much screwed. There's really no way for Town to win. Well... almost. But, I'm still figuring it out.

I'm so lost as to the severe lack of kills.

[Bookthras]

So, how many townie corpses on the floor are needed before people admit the "D1 Mass Claim" thing does not help town?

Yeah, probably not. Might work better in a game where roles are static, and not a game like a BYOR.

Was this a relply to my question about the mass claim? Until we have more data to go on, it seems like a worthy discussion topic.

Regardless of my role, I hereby state: The D1 Mass Claim idea is stupid, and hurts town, mostly because it causes scumhunting to be ignored. People will spend their days bullying people into claiming roles and actions, and coming up with crazy plans, and they will never pan out. Next day, invariably, it'll turn out that someone lied (oh noes! someone lied? in mafia?!), regardless of alignment, and the scum have their scumchat to coordinate. Result: No scumhunting. Lots of dead townies. Stupid Strategy.

D1 Mass Claim? After this game, whoever proposes it is either scum or stupid (or both).

[Dariush]

Now that's interesting, Dariush.  Native doesn't kill Book for whatever reason, and you immediately vote Book without even addressing a question to Native.  Trying to distract from your scumbuddy not doing what he was supposed to do?

We may deal with Native, whatever his aligment is, later. We have a CONFIRMED SK. About seeing whom dead only I seem to care.

Also, why aren't you addressing a question to Native or voting the CONFIRMED SK?

[Toaster]

Dariush:  Because I'd rather question you.  He'll come out about his night actions eventually.


Speaking of night actions, there are four killers around.

[webadict]

So, how many townie corpses on the floor are needed before people admit the "D1 Mass Claim" thing does not help town?

Yeah, probably not. Might work better in a game where roles are static, and not a game like a BYOR.

Was this a relply to my question about the mass claim? Until we have more data to go on, it seems like a worthy discussion topic.

Regardless of my role, I hereby state: The D1 Mass Claim idea is stupid, and hurts town, mostly because it causes scumhunting to be ignored. People will spend their days bullying people into claiming roles and actions, and coming up with crazy plans, and they will never pan out. Next day, invariably, it'll turn out that someone lied (oh noes! someone lied? in mafia?!), regardless of alignment, and the scum have their scumchat to coordinate. Result: No scumhunting. Lots of dead townies. Stupid Strategy.

D1 Mass Claim? After this game, whoever proposes it is either scum or stupid (or both).

No, not necessarily. It just needs a better setting where it is harder to lie about roles. Like where roles are known information.

[NativeForeigner]

Now that's interesting, Dariush.  Native doesn't kill Book for whatever reason, and you immediately vote Book without even addressing a question to Native.  Trying to distract from your scumbuddy not doing what he was supposed to do?

Why would I want to use my one-shot to bring about the Wall of Flesh? If I was supposed to, I must have missed it, I've been rather distracted lately.

[Toaster]

Native:

Why don't we go with yesterday's plan of having Urist McA Native kill Book in the night and just lynch him tomorrow if he revives?  That way he's gone either way.


Also, seriously?  Let's last night action claim, please.

Was it told that my kill is a one-shot? Also, I apparently haven't performed any night actions all game.

You saw me suggest it, at least.  Book, Dariush, and Shakerag all saw it and thought it was going to happen.

[webadict]

Native:

Why don't we go with yesterday's plan of having Urist McA Native kill Book in the night and just lynch him tomorrow if he revives?  That way he's gone either way.


Also, seriously?  Let's last night action claim, please.

Was it told that my kill is a one-shot? Also, I apparently haven't performed any night actions all game.

You saw me suggest it, at least.  Book, Dariush, and Shakerag all saw it and thought it was going to happen.

Killing Bookthras is actually a pretty terrible idea.

[NativeForeigner]

Native:

Why don't we go with yesterday's plan of having Urist McA Native kill Book in the night and just lynch him tomorrow if he revives?  That way he's gone either way.


Also, seriously?  Let's last night action claim, please.

Was it told that my kill is a one-shot? Also, I apparently haven't performed any night actions all game.

You saw me suggest it, at least.  Book, Dariush, and Shakerag all saw it and thought it was going to happen.

Oh, I see where I messed up. When I went to recall the thread for my night-action, I remembered incorrectly that you suggested to kill Think, failing to realize that he was the mod. I got my games mixed up and thought Think had died, so I didn't use my kill. Regardless, I don't see a real reason to kill Bookthras while he's a survivor.

[Think0028]

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Kill me? Why would you want to kill me? Am I that terrible of a mod?...

[Think0028]

Vote count!

Dariush [2] - Toaster, Bookthras
Bookthras [1] - Dariush
Not Voting: Penngo, Shakerag, webadict, NativeForeigner
Think0028 is still obviously shaken by Native's intent to kill him. Even if it was an 'accident.' He's clutching a small plastic sword to his chest.

[Dariush]

Regardless, I don't see a real reason to kill Bookthras while he's a survivor.

He can only be a survivor if Shakerag lied about killing him. Except there's no reason for Shakerag to lie. Sure, we may lynch him and find out the truth, but that'll leave Book alive for one more day if Shakerag was telling the truth and we'll lose a townie. However, if we lynch Book right now, two things may happen: either he resurrects, we get a single night with SK alive, lynch him the next day and Shakerag the day after that, OR he dies and Shakerag becomes a confirmed town, or at least a non-liar. Do I really need to point out why lynching Book is by far the best course we can possible take?

[Shakerag]

Engaging in birthday celebrations; will post tonight.

[webadict]

Regardless, I don't see a real reason to kill Bookthras while he's a survivor.

He can only be a survivor if Shakerag lied about killing him. Except there's no reason for Shakerag to lie. Sure, we may lynch him and find out the truth, but that'll leave Book alive for one more day if Shakerag was telling the truth and we'll lose a townie. However, if we lynch Book right now, two things may happen: either he resurrects, we get a single night with SK alive, lynch him the next day and Shakerag the day after that, OR he dies and Shakerag becomes a confirmed town, or at least a non-liar. Do I really need to point out why lynching Book is by far the best course we can possible take?

Both of those outcomes are losses or near-losses for the Town. So, why would we do that?