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[zombie urist]

Let me get this straight. Your reason for voting for me is because I was acting angry and then when asked about it my posts appeared nicer afterwards? Really?

Yes this is one of the reasons.

This is lylo and there are two scum out of the remaining 5 of us. I know i'm a townie and i'm fairly sure Jim is as well. (Unless Web wanted to make an automatic scum win) Which leaves you, zombie and Dariush. I already suspect Dariush but I don't have any concrete evidence so I will go after his scum buddy. Which is you.

Why do you suspect him if you don't have evidence? Also what is your evidence against Phantom?

As far as I'm aware of, there's only been one Beginner's game where both ICs were scum, but that still isn't a reason to think any particular player or set of players is one alignment or the other.

Out of curiosity, how did this game go?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Both ICs rolled up scum and proceeded to thrash the town in a manly fashion--other than the fact that one of them died D2 after a carefully launched townie assault.  The other one was Webadict.  Despite the thrashing, this was a surprisingly tense game.  A last-minute townie replacement resulted in a near-loss for the scum team.  Demonstrates insightful playing at its best, on both sides.

That was Beginners' Mafia 3, brought to you by the Notable Games Archive.

[webadict]

Aka, Eduren and I won.

[Phantom of The Library]

PFP

I apologize for being too busy to post yesterday.

I unfortunately do not have the time for a full post right now, but for now I want to say this:
I started with an FoS because it is lylo, and I didn't want to misplace my vote, so I decided to put a little pressure on the person who I found to be the most suspicious, namely Andrew425. I put a little pressure on you and you immediately attack me, just what I would expect scum to do.  You have 12 hours to convince me that you're not scum.

I will provide more reasons later today, if I have the time.

[Jim Groovester]

Extend. I haven't been able to give this game the attention it needs. I need a bit more time.

[Andrew425]

Going to have to ask for an Extend

and just so we are clear my vote is on Phantom of the Library

Reasons will come later

[webadict]

Vote Count
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Andrew425 - zombie urist, Dariush,
Phantom of The Library - Andrew425,
zombie urist -
Jim Groovester -
Dariush -

Not Voting - Jim Groovester, Phantom of The Library,

Day Ends Friday 9 PM Central.

[Tiruin]

Edited out!

Also, you forgot the extension request  .

[ansontan2000]

Tiruin has been killed.

Tiruin was a Cop
Day Ends Friday 9 PM Central.

Uhh...

[webadict]

Tiruin has been killed.

Tiruin was a Cop
Day Ends Friday 9 PM Central.

Uhh...

My bad. Forgot to delete all of that.

[Phantom of The Library]

I'm finally able to post again, thank the dogs.

My Reasons For Voting For Andrew425, Otherwise Known As Scum:

First, of all something from Dariush a while ago, that sums up what I would say about said quotes:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

StrategiaYou didn't vote at the end of the day. It's ok to mislynch people. It is not ok to not vote. That scummy behaviour

What, really? That's the entire basis for your vote that you can scrap up at the second day?

Jim You actually made it to the second day. How often does this happen? How will you play differently now that you have lived this long?

Kinda ninja'd by Jim, but this is horrific WIFOM and stupid almost-RVS question to accompany it. Don't do it.

If you were mafia, would you have thought to NK Klingon?

Don't rolefish.

Second, he falsely accused me on three false premises:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I don't like how Phantom tried the bandwagon.

Please explain to me how I "tried the bandwagon", what does that even mean?  Are you trying to say that I started one or that I hopped on one?  I don't recall ever doing anything which could be mistaken for either one.

Strategia had 2 votes on him. You come out swinging with your wall of text voting for him. People give you crap for it and you back off soon after.

Third, again Dariush pretty much says what I was going to say:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I already suspect Dariush but I don't have any concrete evidence so I will go after his scum buddy. Which is you.

So, do you or don't think I'm scum?

Why would somebody start a day off with a FoS on lylo? So you can cast doubt on me without being the first one to just jump on me. Scumwise Scumgee.

Oh god more WIFOM.

I think it is lylo.

Wrong. It is LYLO. Are you really that afraid of taking even such an insignificant stance, Andrew?

Fourth, he attacked an IC for being an IC.

Fifth, He reacted violently to a FoS, pretty much OMGUS-ing minus the vote.

And Sixth: his OMGUS just now.

As well as being too concerned about his own image, although that's more of a feeling I get and I can't think of any specific examples at the moment.

Dariush You haven't been posting much until recently,any particular reason for that?

...I wasn't?

This was an honest mistake on my part, I hadn't looked back through the game yet, and I didn't remember you posting much, mostly due to the fact that hardly any of it pertained to me, or I attributed it to Jim by accident in my memory. 

[Jim Groovester]

As I recommended I did a reread of the thread. There was stuff that came up from my reread but for the sake of focus I've left them out. I may ask them later if I think it's important.

Why would somebody start a day off with a FoS on lylo? So you can cast doubt on me without being the first one to just jump on me. Scumwise Scumgee.

Oh god more WIFOM.

How?

Are you really that afraid of taking even such an insignificant stance, Andrew?

Then what do you make of Phantom of the Library only throwing an FoS out to start the day?

If you have a problem with Andrew425 not voting, then why don't you have one with Phantom of the Library for that?

Phantom of the Library, all game long your list of suspects have been the people attacking you. Why? Are you so interested in self-preservation that you only bother going after the people who are going after you?

I started with an FoS because it is lylo, and I didn't want to misplace my vote, so I decided to put a little pressure on the person who I found to be the most suspicious, namely Andrew425. I put a little pressure on you and you immediately attack me, just what I would expect scum to do.  You have 12 hours to convince me that you're not scum.

If you were going for pressure, what the hell for? You already suspected Andrew425 and apparently have lots of reasons for thinking that way. Why not start with a vote?

Throwing down an FoS at the start of lylo makes you look timid, like you don't want to be the first person to vote. This makes me think you're scum.

Saying that Andrew425 did just what you expected scum to do sounds a lot like you're just making shit up to justify your vote. How is it that attacking you for an FoS instead of a vote is exactly what scum would do? Explain this to me.

Reasons

Why are so many of these borrowed straight from Dariush without even a summary or a paraphrase by you?

Seems lazy to me. Are you getting lazy? You can see the end of the game in sight, you think the game's already won, time to relax a bit, kick up your shoes, not come up with strong reasons for a vote?

Votes still on Andrew425. Reasons are strong overreaction to criticism at beginning of game, really weak reasons earlier on Strategia, lots of concern with his image as a town and recently a change in demeanor. He also hasn't posted a while, even before the night phase.

I'd like to see some posts that show this.

Also, on Day 1: Why the focus on pressuring people who made obvious mistakes with formatting?

Reasons will come later

I'm waiting.

[Andrew425]

My Reasons For Voting For Andrew425, Otherwise Known As Scum:

My reasons for voting Phantom is this.

You have yet to actually come up for a reason for voting anyone in this game. You take other people arguments and use them as your own, this means that you're scum who can't think of their own arguments.

Point by point rebuttal to your attacks?

First: I don't know why you quoted that as it means absolutely nothing

Second: I mixed you and Zombie up.

Third: Using Dariush's horrible arguments as your own, scum?

Fourth: I attacked him because he was doing a terrible job at it.

Fifth: I attacked you because you're uncomfortable calling someone out as scum. Which is one of the biggest scum tells in the book

Sixth: I was afraid the day would end before I got a chance to vote as I was busy that night.

So not only are all you attacks wrong. They're scum tells. So that is why I know you're scum.

I already suspect Dariush but I don't have any concrete evidence so I will go after his scum buddy. Which is you.

So, do you or don't think I'm scum?

I think you're scum. I think Phantom is scummier.

Why would somebody start a day off with a FoS on lylo? So you can cast doubt on me without being the first one to just jump on me. Scumwise Scumgee.

Oh god more WIFOM.

Jim already asked this, but how is this WIFOM? Why have you been always so quick to call stuff WIFOM?

I think it is lylo.

Wrong. It is LYLO. Are you really that afraid of taking even such an insignificant stance, Andrew?

I wasn't 100% sure so I said it like that. Fairly flimsy attack isn't that?

[zombie urist]

I'd like to see some posts that show this.
Also, on Day 1: Why the focus on pressuring people who made obvious mistakes with formatting?

Here are some of posts which I think are pertinent. 1 2 3 (most recent example) When someone else questions him, he retorts back in a defensive way with a question of his own.
Contrast those posts with this one or this one. I feel the tone is different.

I just used the the mistake to start conversation. If he hadn't responded in such a defensive manner, I would have let it drop.

Second: I mixed you and Zombie up.

So not only are all you attacks wrong. They're scum tells. So that is why I know you're scum.

Are you saying that I 'tried the bandwagon'? Also, I don't see most of those rebuttals as scumtells.

[Dariush]

Why would somebody start a day off with a FoS on lylo? So you can cast doubt on me without being the first one to just jump on me. Scumwise Scumgee.

Oh god more WIFOM.

How?

His second sentence may or may not be right, but he assumes it is.

Are you really that afraid of taking even such an insignificant stance, Andrew?

Then what do you make of Phantom of the Library only throwing an FoS out to start the day?

Caution. It would be suspicious in an experienced player, but not in a BM.

Jim already asked this, but how is this WIFOM? Why have you been always so quick to call stuff WIFOM?

Because a lot of stuff you say is WIFOM.

I wasn't 100% sure so I said it like that. Fairly flimsy attack isn't that?

How can you not be sure whether or not it is LYLO if we clearly know the number of scum?

Phantom, out of your six arguments two directly quote from me and another one consists of defending me. Why are you trying to hide behind IC's authority?