Now you're jumping to conclusions.
zombie urist: To be clear, I am not relying on my newness here so anyone can give me slack. In fact, I hoped nobody would notice that tiny indention and would treat me just like everyone else-- a Mafia player. I do not want any sympathy, nor do I want any kind of holding back and I'm obviously not asking for it.
I'm not saying you are, but the fact that you even mentioned it made you look like you wanted sympathy.
The thing is, I didn't mention it specifically, you pointed it out and acted on that for a few posts.
And by repeating? You make it seem like only you and Jim are giving substantial amounts of information to this whole game by that single sentence in itself. If you feel that I'm posting huge walls of text just to look active, then say so. But read what I have in my posts before you say that. I would've also been called out by the ICs if I've done nothing but repeat repeat repeat. They are the impartial source of information, and are here to help all of us. Even if they are scum.
I'm not saying your walls of text are to look active. I'm just saying a lot of what you said, others have said already. Also you spent a lot of time going back and forth with Chaos Armor, without much to show for it. Sometimes even the IC's miss stuff. You also tend to repeat stuff within posts. In that post alone, you've said I haven't asked any RVS questions twice.
There's a serious communication issue between us. How did you conclude that 'only Jim and I were contributing' from that statement?
Not a conclusion. It was an answer to: "You also seem to be merely repeating a lot of things other people said especially Jim and myself. Do you have anything original to contribute?"
Skipping the spoiler, it seems in my opinion that you have no inclination to give out your own questions-- an RVS question even, and are beginning to set out like you have outside information!
It's true that I skipped the RVS stage. The reason for RVS is to get discussion started for the lack of anything better. When I joined, I thought people already contributed enough to skip that area. I don't understand how you jumped from "you're not asking RVS questions" to "you might be getting outside information". RVS is not a to get to know someone's playstyle. People say and do different things under different conditions. Also, hypotheticals very rarely play out exactly the way they are phrased in the game.
Yes, people say and do different things based on the immediate event. Yes, I understand the purpose of the RVS, the thing is: I'm just asking you why you aren't asking things straight to the point. You keep on shifting your votes just to pressure others, but I'm curious why you aren't questioning in detail-- meaning why you aren't making any aggressive moves.
zombie urist: I've underlined and outlined some very nice statements you made in orange above, in your posts. Its like, you have another source of information out there. You haven't given any RVS questions at all: this is what I meant by not asking any questions. Like you bother not to know anyone's style or what they would do in a given situation.
How do the outlined statements lead to the conclusion of an outside information source? By going through all my posts and outlining the 'nice statements' leads to confirmation bias. See above on the RVS issue.
Well, you are participating in the conversation, but not in the way that would directly lead to finding scum. Your answers were not to the essence behind those posts, from where I see it.
It's like when you say "give something original to contribute" means you want more info from them-- us, being the case; you aren't asking us anything short of Mafia itself. Like you're trying to set everyone else right, without adding to the hunt. You harrage us for lack of info, to say bluntly.
That's not what that means. I want you do your own scumhunting. A lot of what you've said so far are repeats, clarifications, and that side argument with Chaos Armor.
I am doing my own scumhunting. That "Side Argument", as you put it, seems like one because I can see that
Chaos Armor is just repeating himself, not posting at all since some time ago.
Like you're trying to get us to stop pressing the attack and lead us in circles by asking us to give answers from our complete lack of information. None know the roles of everyone else, except the scum who know those that must die for them to win!
I have no idea what this means.
Won't you at least give your own opinion then?
The pretty obvious mistake ansontan2000 did was in formatting, how does that make him scum? The reason for my unvote. For Andrew425, formatting also.
You also assaulted stormtemplar on...what question was that exactly? Wait, there was no question. What response was there to acknowledge, may I ask?
I responded to his question, and he didn't acknowledge my response. Assault is such a strong word. Are you saying you unvoted ansontan because he made a formatting error? I'll get to ansontan in my next post.
Your entire post reads like an OMGUS, especially answering a question with the exact same question. The only reason that you're voting me is that I haven't asked any RVS questions. It looks like you've given up on Chaos Armor and are looking for a new target. What's wrong with my scumhunting?
An OMGUS? Seriously? Can you point out then where I'm going wrong? Where I'm showing any signs of cracking under pressure? Did you not read anything I stated?
OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck, a vote on someone else simply because they voted or attacked you.
OMGUSing: Short for Oh My God You Suck, by the way. Voting or otherwise applying pressure to whoever's voting you. It implies that you're really concerned about being pressured/lynched and want them to stop, which is more a scum thing. A townie would, in theory, be more open to the notion that their fellow townie is attempting to scumhunt at them, and less concerned about being found out.
I found no reason behind your statement of OMGUS, your vote on me was based on the wrong reasons. Misreading in short. How does that even qualify as such? I'm voting you because I think you are scum.
On ansontan2000, I've stated my unvote wrong. I unvoted him because that (my vote) was just to pressure him to state his reasons and answer. Why would I put a vote on him because of formatting-- his formatting in question had the vote on himself by the way. I'm not backtracking by this too, it's pretty obvious there. Afterwards, you also voted him on to get his answer as I see it.
I've not given up on Chaos Armor. The lack of posts from him makes him look like a lurker in my eyes. He isn't participating at all here, and I don't think you read the last statement I said about him. The one in bold and underlined? He is still active on the forums, but isn't giving anything at all here making him very vague. Since Jim's post, he hasn't done anything. That's as far as I can say about him, can you add to it?
And by answering a question with the exact same question? Quote it for me, if you may.
Besides, who or what are you really scumhunting for, if you state so?
zombie urist: I've underlined and outlined some very nice statements you made in orange above, in your posts. Its like, you have another source of information out there. You haven't given any RVS questions at all: this is what I meant by not asking any questions. Like you bother not to know anyone's style or what they would do in a given situation.
zombie urist has been in Beginner's Mafias before.
WUH OH
Players who play in multiple Beginner's Mafias usually perform significantly better than completely new players. His 'nice source' is probably experience from other games, in which case, it's not surprising that he has a better idea of what to do and not indicative at all that he's getting outside help, i.e., Toaster.
You're also overestimating the importance of the RVS. It's much better to learn people's playstyles by watching what they do instead of asking them about it.
Also, all your votes are just based on pressuring them to answer you; none of which have any connection to spotting scum. Have you no real mark?
Right.
So, zombie urist isn't hunting. What about all that orange shit you highlighted? That looks like scumhunting to me.
Alright, to clarify: There are those that have been in multiple BMs before, zombie urist has been in one: BM XXVI to be exact; but as far as I know, Andrew425 has also been in BMs, albeit more in number than zombie urist.
Yes, I am overestimating the importance of such, but because I can't get any read on zombie urist's playstyle other than what I see as one-sided answers and his lack of aggression, maybe because nobody is voting him? Also, when he stated that: "Do you have anything original to contribute" to others: ansontan2000, Phantom of the Library and Me amongst the rest, he asks the same thing later on in his posts makes me suspicious, as well as annoyed because that seems like we aren't giving suitable information. That, and if he was scumhunting, then he would give his thoughts in detail about everyone's posts, I guess.
I'm only acting on what I know and what I can read from what others posted.
Andrew425: Where are you and what do you see on all this?
Chaos Armor: Have you given up and are not posting at all?
Dariush: What is your view on this matter, could you also point out what our mistakes are?
I'm not looking for anyone to back me up if anyone is curious, it's just that day is almost over and they haven't posted recently.
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