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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[alexwazer]

"Ok guys, we're going into a super hard dungeon so... strip naked or go get some junk to wear!" Terrible game design =/

It sounds terrible, but the alternative is to make high end gear so much better than the rest, that it quickly becomes the only viable option. Gear in Mabi is, even now with armor masteries, mostly cosmetic. Free to play games, and especially Mabi, has taught online gamers that Style comes at a price. It's up to you whether you are willing to pay that price. Don has been wearing clothes almost exclusively for the past 6-7 months

Seriously, one of the problem is that a lot of people simply cannot afford to use their main armor in extreme situations. What constitute an "extreme situation" depends on playstyle, skills, who you are playing with and what you are doing. I stopped using Dustin set when I was doing regular dragon raids.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, that pretty much.

I do agree that there needs to be SOME benefit to running dungeons (and enchant scrolls, while nice, are hard enough to make use of even at high enchant ranks that they're kind've irrelevant in most cases), but I don't think gear upgrades are the way to do it. At least not armor/weapon style gear, that charm thing they put into the halloween event I think it was, has a lot of potential for this sort've thing I feel.

[Facekillz058]

Got G2 done on my new elf this morning. (Esras is a bitch when your total level is 50.)
Water Cannon.
Holy shit.
Water Cannon + Trans level Mana = 500 damage at one charge at Rank 7.

[Facekillz058]

I'm up to Cromm with my Elf.
So yeah.
I'm gonna need some help with that. - Done

EDIT: Also, I'm looking for a Witch's Ring or whatever the totem that increases MP Is called. Preferably with at least +30 MP.

[Facekillz058]

GUARD CYLINDERS:
PROS:
Can use alchemy with an actual weapon in your main hand.
Boost Magic Defense and Protection, while still giving the physical defense boosts of a normal shield.
Gives Summon Golem it's own AI.
Boosts critical and damage of alchemy used while using a normal cylinder.
Damage penalty for using alchemy with a GC alone isn't all that major, and is lowered by ranking up Guard Cylinder Mastery.


CONS:
Model is kind of ugly.
Loading animation is something special, for sure.
Summon Golem AI likes to pop Defense and sit and not contribute to the fight at all, virtually requiring you to micromanage it's every movement.
When using a normal cylinder with a Guard Cylinder, you use the GC animation anyway.
No sound effects when loading skills unlike a normal cylinder.
PRETTY SURE you need to have one equipped with a normal cylinder to use Elemental Wave and Golden Time.
If you use only a GC, the durability goes down VERY quickly.

[SirAaronIII]

In case you couldn't tell, the Vate update is out, and with it comes the outfit card, double Alchemy skill exp event, and those fancy skills. There's also some event that lets you have a dragon at your homestead. It's pretty cute, but doesn't do much else as far as I can tell.

The main thing is the update, skills, and of course, guard cylinders.
Piggybacking on Facekillz's post:

GUARD CYLINDERS:
PROS:
Boosts critical and damage of alchemy used while using a normal cylinder. up to 10% crit, can't remember damage
Damage penalty for using alchemy with a GC alone isn't all that major, and is lowered by ranking up Guard Cylinder Mastery. -25% at without any mastery, -10% at r1


CONS:
PRETTY SURE you need to have one equipped with a normal cylinder to use Elemental Wave and Golden Time. these, and Hydra Transmutation are guard+regular cylinder only

[Seriyu]

I will arrive on saturday, let it be known!

Have something without context.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(melee + alchemy here I come)

[SirAaronIII]

I'm looking for an Imp enchant scroll and a Stiff Vintage Tail Cap. If anyone finds any, I'll gladly buy them off of you for 50k each. Just putting that out there.

Also, I have a Glowing Imp Statue, which we're hoping to run this Tuesday for Hishi's exploration journal page. Be on the lookout for more information.

[Seriyu]

Shield Cylinders are awesome.

So far as I can tell you primarily use them as a starter (if you want), or use them after counterattacks.

With double cylinders you use them as you always use cylinders but better! Be sure to invest in defense and shield mastery because they have no physical defense.

It's a pretty nice way to allow yourself some flexibility if you're going mostly melee, as alchemy skills by their nature pack some heavy crowd control on them. Sand burst is particularly good now, and a wind blast can be just what someone needs if they're gettin clubbed.

[Kaitol]

I might have a stiff vintage tail cap. Been so long I don't remember. I'll check tomorrow/later today

[Facekillz058]

Guard Cylinders could also be interesting if used with a wand.
Sand Burst + Blaze
Freezing Blast + Blaze

[Seriyu]

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of potential for them! If only there was a one handed bowgun or something for ranged combat+alchemy, that'd be terrifying. The lack of big easy AoE is one of alchemy's bigger blind spots, and crash shot covers that nicely.

I've changed the title and removed Malt Hitman's generosity, may he live on in our hearts always

I've rewritten the OP also. Combat section explaining it in a bit more detail. Minor touching up.

[Kaitol]

My apologies, It was a Life Vintage Tail Cap, not a Stiff one... although I swear I've seen one...

[Seriyu]

Very brief update heads up, next update will bring the cooking patch. New recipes, recipes are altered, new skills (including one that adds a second drop table to enemies, increasing the chances to get, among other things, leather/special cooking ingredients), a cooking mastery that slows the bar wiggle down without dex, annnnd the thing that will take cooking from "sort've good if you're low level" to "well why NOT do it", an ability that turns a group of food into a like, picnic basket that you can sit down on a map. It'll sit there for a while and while it's there anyone that clicks on it gets a mixture of all the foods buffs, no nutrition is added (you will not swell up like a balloon for daring to use the cooking system when you're full; IE all the time), no "eating time" I don't think.

It basically turns anyone that has one (they can be traded) into a buff dispenser.

This also means you can bring the mabinogi equivalent of box wine into a dungeon for the boss. Cooking will be.... passable soon! Maybe even more then that.

[TwilightWalker]

Very brief update heads up, next update will bring the cooking patch. New recipes, recipes are altered, new skills (including one that adds a second drop table to enemies, increasing the chances to get, among other things, leather/special cooking ingredients), a cooking mastery that slows the bar wiggle down without dex, annnnd the thing that will take cooking from "sort've good if you're low level" to "well why NOT do it", an ability that turns a group of food into a like, picnic basket that you can sit down on a map. It'll sit there for a while and while it's there anyone that clicks on it gets a mixture of all the foods buffs, no nutrition is added (you will not swell up like a balloon for daring to use the cooking system when you're full; IE all the time), no "eating time" I don't think.

It basically turns anyone that has one (they can be traded) into a buff dispenser.

This also means you can bring the mabinogi equivalent of box wine into a dungeon for the boss. Cooking will be.... passable soon! Maybe even more then that.

WTB Kitchen Dungeon tokens.