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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[Ibid Straydrink]

So, I've cleared G9, and finding that it offered little reward aside from the fanastic privlege to move on to G10, I can't say I'm at all glad or relieved. I think that, having skimmed the small book of content for G10, I'm going to go ahead quit while I'm ahead. Mabinogi's torturous "Generation" quest sequences, especially those involving the Shadow Realm, just aren't worthwhile.

It's all very unfortunate. In certain settings (where the enemies don't lightning aggro, multi-aggro in an imbalanced fashion, or abuse the camera angle) Mabi's combat is quite enjoyable. And the fashion and aesthetics? OH THE FASHION AND AESTHETICS! But inevitably, you want to expand, progress, and explore- and herein is the problem. I feel as though any scrap of advancement in this MMO's central quest line is completely hollow. It doesn't inspire or motivate via plot or dialogue, and it only rarely contributes to the the genuinely fun aspects of game play.

All in all, I must liken Mabinogi to a toybox. There are some real wonders in there somewhere, but it requires lots real digging.

They might as well put Demigod in the cash shop.   

[Seriyu]

I swore I read in the patch notes that shadow missions don't scale anymore but apparently not. Maybe they meant they scale by talent level now rather then cumulative level. Which is only marginally better, namely in the sense that if you spread your AP out things won't nail you quite as hard even if you are at 1k. Still a bad system and they need to scrap it.

EDIT: Well, on the other hand it does promote teaming up in a game where you would initially think impossible (I'll just grind the story away!), and I can understand why they crank up stats rather then write new AI (because people tend to figure out new AI rather quickly if the wiki guides on the Iria saga are any indication, along with the fact that people had "solved" the black dragon about two days into the release, admittantly likely because japanese or korean wikis can just be copied from but still, cranking up stats will last the life of the game and making new AI, while fun and neat to deal with, will last a week tops) and putting people into a position where they can't one shot things is a good way to increase difficulty given the nature of the game.

I suppose at the end of the day the question is, does that sort of thing belong in generation quests. Probably not, even after what I said.

[Graknorke]

I think that you can select the talent level that you want it to scale to.

[Ibid Straydrink]

I think that you can select the talent level that you want it to scale to.

If so, how? Changing your active talent doesn't have an effect, and I've never noticed the option in the Option Menu or on any sort of quest window.

[Seriyu]

I think he may be referring to normal shadow missions and not the generation quests. If you are referring to the gen quests though yeah, spill the beans. (also I re edited my rant on the last page aa)

[Graknorke]

I think he may be referring to normal shadow missions and not the generation quests. If you are referring to the gen quests though yeah, spill the beans. (also I re edited my rant on the last page aa)

I had no idea you were referring to gen quests. I have no idea about those.

[Seriyu]

Yeah I think unfortunately gen quests still forcibly scale to your level which is bad for all the same reasons oblivion's scaling was bad.

[bluejello]

well, ran into my first black dragon... one hit from one of it minions almost killed me, so I did what any sensible person would do and ran.  this was while I was getting the mirrage missile or whatever it is.

[Girlinhat]

well, ran into my first black dragon... one hit from one of it minions almost killed me, so I did what any sensible person would do and ran.  this was while I was getting the mirrage missile or whatever it is.

It's a raid boss.  It's meant to be fought by a guild-full of top-tier and still have trouble because it's just beyond the scope of singular players.

That said, if you've got mana shield, low HP, and a lot of healing potions, you can earn some decent gold by getting 1,000 contribution doing smash on the dragon.  If you get behind it, not much hits you, and if anything does, you go Deadly and can heal.

[bluejello]

I think it was a player summoned one, as there were not many people there (around 7) and a lot of minions, and I am a very new character.  still trying to figure out the best way to level, commerce appears to be the best right now to me... 

I am a elf archer that probably is not spending his AP that effectivly

[Girlinhat]

I think it was a player summoned one, as there were not many people there (around 7) and a lot of minions, and I am a very new character.  still trying to figure out the best way to level, commerce appears to be the best right now to me... 

I am a elf archer that probably is not spending his AP that effectivly

As a fellow elfbro, let me say - Magnum Shot.  This is the only skill you need.  You really want to max this as far as you feasibly can.  That means your real skills are - Ranged Attack, (Cross)Bow Mastery, Critical Hit, and Magnum Shot.  The way you use it is to spam it.  Just one after another, Magnum Magnum Magnum.  Works best either with an insane range bow (Highlander Longbow, Wing Bow, Elven Longbow) or rapid-fire bows (Elven Short Bow).  You just wait for the enemy to stand, and when they get close you magnum them back.

[alexwazer]

Concerning Generation quests difficulty, according to the wiki, gen 9-16 were adjusted and fixed at intermediate difficulty in the Nightmare patch (17-4), but gen 9-12 were reverted to the original level-based setting after the last patch 18-1. This might be a temporary change while Nexon works on a new setting that doesn't make missions stupidly easy for level 1000+ players: remember the golden apple quest, G12 finale, when several of us helped Dir? I did it solo without breaking a sweat on intermediate difficulty when I as around 1000 total level. That's how stupidly easy it was, same with the G11 pre-finale. Although, having to do them on hard difficulty has pretty much the opposite effect, mobs are nearly impossible to crit, have insane HP and hit like trucks, while a level 1000 is just a bit stronger than a level 800.

That being said, I think G10 is the only one that's really worth doing. It gives demigod and Neamhain powers which are pretty nice, especially spear of light. Cichol and Morrighan's aren't all that great in comparison in my opinion. Even the brionac isn't that useful unless you have tons of AP to waste.

[Seriyu]

Yeah Morrighan's god powers suffer from the same issue a lot of things do in the game, they are overtly defensive in a game that is almost entirely about attacking. The only defensive powers that are useful are ones that let you attack while you're using them, IE paladin and mana shield. I'm pretty sure Morrighan's defensive power, while it makes you basically immortal, also only lets you use specific attacks or slows you down or something, and as such a lot of people don't use it.

ALso bluejello, have you applied for the guild? There's enough space, don't worry about eating a slot with a "bad character" or something.

[alexwazer]

Actually, Morrighan's Wings of Eclipse is really good. The problem is that since you lose skill exp using it, it see limited use if you don't rebirth every week. Wings of rage is also not terrible, but it has even less uses since very very few mobs are worth using it on. Although, the same could be said about spear of light, but what can I say, I'm biaised

However, it's mostly demigod itself that makes runnign G10 worth the trouble. The speed bonus and regen are great. And it looks awesome, which by itself should be enough to get it.

[Ibid Straydrink]

Actually, Morrighan's Wings of Eclipse is really good. The problem is that since you lose skill exp using it, it see limited use if you don't rebirth every week. Wings of rage is also not terrible, but it has even less uses since very very few mobs are worth using it on. Although, the same could be said about spear of light, but what can I say, I'm biaised

However, it's mostly demigod itself that makes runnign G10 worth the trouble. The speed bonus and regen are great. And it looks awesome, which by itself should be enough to get it.

I am afraid I will have to give it a try... after training transformation.