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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[dei]

All disabling the Nagle Algorithm does is change how your connection manages data packets. Using more bandwidth in my experience can improve your speed with things like downloads, streaming and gaming, but has the downside of angering the more stringent internet service providers that place data caps on their customers connections.

I am going to make an educated guess and state that why Mabinogi doesn't disable the Nagle Algorithm is because of how South Korea, China, Japan and maybe Taiwan's network infrastructure are set up with fiberoptic wire instead of the usual cables that are run in the United States of America. Asian gamers in those larger and more set-up countries don't have as big of a problem with latency or ping as gamers in the United States of America, and in fact most don't even experience lag spikes on a regular basis like some of the people here in this thread.

It is because of this I am told that Nexon and other companies in South Korea and Japan that make online games don't need to or don't bother with making decent netcode protocol for their games. As such it's not really surprising that they didn't provide scripts that bypass the Nagle Algorithm - their original audience didn't need such a convenient script.

Companies here in the United States of America on the other hand don't have the option to not make decent netcode protocols for their online games. Most places outside of a university or government facility are not on fiberoptic wire, T1 or T3 connections. Most at best have cable broadband (which may or may not be strained by other cable services going through, be it phone or television-related) or DSL (which in many cases is easily interrupted by the ringing of a phone or some other inconvenience going through the phone lines). Some people here in the United States of America still use a 56k dial-up connection. This situation repeats itself in a lot of other places around the world regardless of the circumstances.

Basically as most everyone in this thread knows if you want to play Mabinogi you've got to disable the Nagle Algorithm as otherwise you'll continue to have a higher latency than is desired. It's still a good idea to disable the Nagle Algorithm either way if you're not using a cable broadband or higher connection, as connections ranked around DSL and lower and certain wireless connections like the one I am using will benefit from it being disabled. As long as you don't have any obscenely low data caps hanging over your head using a bit more bandwidth is really a good thing; the more bandwidth you use with what you are doing the faster and smoother things will go.

...Of course it's common sense not to do something irresponsible like download a torrent of season one of Breaking Bad from the Pirate Bay or the latest patch for Skyrim on Steam while playing Mabinogi or any other game on the internet. Most computers regardless of the circumstances can't multitask without them having more than one core, and your connection will suffer from multitasking if you're not on cable broadband or higher. At least, that's my experience.

You'll want to close out all other programs that utilize you bandwidth if cable broadband is not the case, especially stuff like instant messenger programs, torrent clients, and services like Pandora Radio that stream live content, regardless of what online game you are playing. If you're using cable broadband or better for your connection then you probably won't have problems if you do certain kinds of multitasking with your connection, except for the instant messaging bit. I don't recommend using an instant messenger while your playing a game on the internet, because every time you receive a message from someone it's more than likely going to give you a lag spike of some kind.

Now if you excuse me I have a very bad pain in my sinuses from all of the smoke in the area I am living in. There are at least six wildfires in the general area and my allergies have been so bad that I haven't felt up to getting into Mabinogi or any other online game I play that uses client-server protocol.

[Aklyon]

Its less of a problem of ' can we improve it' and more of a 'Theres no point in improving it, that would eat up our profit and you hardly have any one else you could choose from  unless you're in a major city or nearby now, do you?'

SK and related actually built up their infrastructure. We're stuck with lazy Comcast/Verizon/Time Warner who are supposed to do so but are more interested in half-assing it at broadband and leaving it there, while Sonic.net tries to be helpful but is all the way in a small area of california and google's fiber project is only in kansas city.

Meanwhile, I'm in a state near DC, and I hardly have had ping problems with mabi.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that Nexon had to at least try to make decent netcode, though to a different standard of decent since they have better internet. Crappy netcode is crap, whether or not your connection is sufficient.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, I think the servers are in cali, so as long as you're near cali you're probably fine and need to turn off nagle less (although it still helps). The issues arise when you're in Canada/the UK/florida.

[Skyrunner]

Or Korea. ;3

[Aklyon]

If you're in the UK, you are hella far from Cali. Theres a 3-hour time zone difference from here to there (what effect that has on networking is probably why vindictus has an east and a west server option), and then you over yonder need to also add time to cross the transatlantic cableage, whether or not theres network lag over there, netlag over here, and getting back across the US again. Per packet.

@Ninja Skyrunner
If they're in korea, if it worked the uk guys might as well just route the otherway around the world at that point

[Skyrunner]

Nah, I played Mabinogi by routing to either Virginia, California or Arizona (AOL servers) and then from there to the Cali servers. It takes one second both ways for signals to be transmitted. Hell on combat, you can't hit all 4 times with two two-hit weapons without being beat up in the middle >.> 2 seconds to load skills.

[Aklyon]

I know it doesn't take that long to do stuff (ping being measured in ms and so on), but I'm kinda tired and feel like exaggerating and using the word transatlantic.

[dei]

Well I'm in California and I still have to turn Nagle off and make sure that I'm not doing anything else with the internet at all when I play anything like Mabinogi. I have Clearwire, a wireless internet service provider that is currently dealing with a second class action lawsuit for purposefully throttling internet speeds without telling customers and for false advertisement and misinformation about the services it provides.

It's included with the rent I pay here at this community housing facility I live at and all I can say is disabling Nagle and religiously using Cometbird with Greasemonkey scripts that tweak Flash and certain sites are necessary for me to do anything on the internet that isn't this forum or a part of the overchan. Even with my connection denagled I have latency issues in Mabinogi because of how my internet service provider does things a little shadier than you would expect.

Honestly, I would love a hardwired cable broadband connection or even Xfinity provided wirelessly from the next room, but my landlord doesn't keep his promises. He told me about four months ago when the hardware for the network that is run through the entire complex was moved into my apartment so I could manage it that he would be buying cable broadband for the entire complex. Instead he's decided to spend what little money this nonprofit and community housing facility I get services from has on renovating the office so it smells less like cat shit.

At the very least though on a good day the Clearwire modem gets three to four bars and speeds comparable to a 768Kbps AT&T DSL connection, albeit with medium-low latency. Most days though there is wind or some shut-in other than myself spending all of their time streaming shiza videos, playing poker or trying to play multiplayer mode on some sort of a PS3 game. Yes, PS3.

[Aklyon]

Wireless internet can be not-exactly-reliable over long-range that sounds like. Works perfectly fine from here to the room downstairs, but thats not a large distance, nor is the wind a factor. Any sort of cable at all would help against wind.

But for however many reasons, that is not it, and things like your landlord is the same kind of problem I'd been talking about, though for a different reason then cat arse. Also, the PS3 guy could be downloading patches or something on occasion instead of multiplayer, that tends to use much more than just mp.

[SirAaronIII]

If Reshpon is the Village of Pain, Tara is the Capital City of Pain Kingdom.


20 imps with lightning all at once...

then Charlene who was pretty weak actually

[Seriyu]

Direzie the one that got struck by 15 lightning bolts simultaniously

[SirAaronIII]

Psh, got Transcended Death on like the 2nd day I was playing.



This should tell you a lot.

[Alkhemia]

So is this any good I've only heard a little bit about it how party based is it?

[Seriyu]

I certainly enjoy it, the combat system is nice (and surprisingly deep, don't get tooooooo excited, it's not super "Anything works with anything" open, but it gets fairly close.), and much like say, elona, there's a few things other then combat to do. Crafting is generic, but still surprisingly entertaining, commerce is very efficient and some people just love the hell out of it, and part time jobs, while mostly wandering around or making something for an NPC, offers time to socialize in a town square if that's your sorta thing.


It is faiiiiirly team centric, yes. There are a few places you can solo, and there's nothing you just flat out can't solo, but a lot of the stuff would  require a rather ridiculous grind to solo. It's often just easier to find a team, and luckily if you join up with the B12 guild, you won't have a problem with finding a team.

The combat can take some getting used to, and might take some lessons from people that know the ins and outs a bit better then a new person, but once you get the hang of it it's very intuitive.

[Myroc]

Alright, I've applied to the guild, so now I just need someone to accept that blasted application and I should be able to join in on your endeavours. A couple of newbie questions, though:

A: How on earth is the regular party advertisement syntax set up. A party recruitment window displaying "B>Battle/Sword nm -color" does not contain any useful info. Please help me decode this strange and arcane language.
B: What on earth am I supposed to do on my own. So far I've done some trading, but it's tedious and basically boils down to "Walk to that city on foot while being forced to walk around certain random spots in the terrain". I did try to do some solo runs, which was rather difficult and fun, but one dungeon started to kick my ass with red skeletons and the other with the end boss. What else can I do only by the company of myself?
C: Why the flying fuck does this piece of armor lack pants?