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Author Topic: Mabinogi-On Steam! Close combat revamp!  (Read 380120 times)

SirAaronIII

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I traded My Nubes Meditation Method (Meditation rank D to C) to etg, but he was in the same run where I got it. I think you might only be able to trade books that aren't used.
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Certain books aren't tradable.  Innocence of the Lute is tradable.

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Karu Glowing Pot-belly Spider Dungeon! :D

Ibid and I are planning to collect the various piece of the pot-belly spider statue and enter it on Saturday :3 Due to my timeframe, the entering would be around 9AM ~ 12PM Seoul time, or 7 PM~10 PM Eastern time. Unfortunately I'm way too weak to be of much help in there—especially since I just lost my Aspiring Warrior title and its huge boost to STR—so I need our guild's help.

What's in it for me? :s Well, there's the fun of (hopefully) curbstomping a dungeon. And with a low chance, the Knight Lance, the Diamond enchantment, and Exploration Journal p3 can be obtained. The last one is dropped from the boss only. Low chance, I think.

What's the dungeon like? It has many reinforced monsters, which have more HP and protection and defense compared to their non-titled counterparts. There also are Skeleton Ghosts of Maize dungeon fame, and Golden Mask Ghosts which are very sturdy.

Disclaimer: If things don't turn out, and I can't collect the statue by Saturday, there's a small chance of this not happening. :S
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Do allow me to expand on that a bit...

Karu is somewhat unique as far as dungeons go.  You give an item to the altar, which is actually a form on NPC and not simply a tile on the floor, but that hardly matters.  You enter the regular dungeon inhabited by stone zombies and pot belly spiders - stone zombies resemble golems, and pot belly spiders look like a collection of kitchenware turned into a golem ("pot" belly isn't just a catchy name).  When you kill the zombie/spider during the dungeon, they drop body parts.  Pincers, fangs, venom-sack, pot, and something else I think there's 5 parts.  When you collect a regular piece, then you re-enter the dungeon using that as the sacrificed item.  This brings you to "Karu fangs ruins" or whatever body part.  The boss of this run will have glowing fangs (or whatever) and it will drop a glowing body part.  Then you go BACK into the dungeon, using pincers, and you collect glowing pincers from the boss.  When you finally have all 5 glowing bits, you trade them in for a full glowing statue.

The full glowing dungeon is a fresh sort of hell.  The original boss, the Stone Horse Keeper, becomes a miniboss, and the final boss has like 6 stone horse keepers as extra mobs!  Instead of spiders, you're dealing with zombie ghosts - that's right, zombies so badass that they've died again and become un-un-dead zombie ghosts.  And then the infamous, terrifying, Golden Mask Ghosts.  Like something from an eldritch horror, they occupy a golden mask the size of a human's face, with a flourishing aura of vaporous power flowing out behind it.  They are mostly immune to all attack, with natural shield, heavy stander, and mana deflector of fairly high rank, they will totally ignore your attacks and proceed to fuck up your day all over the dungeon floor.  The only realistic way of combating them is to have archers spam magnum shot and/or firebolt to keep the damn things at a distance.  Perhaps the most terrifying thing (to me) is that they are non-aggro until attacked.  They will patiently circle you softly, watching, waiting, observing.  Calmer than the grave and more patient than the madness that seeps into your bones, they softly wait until you crack, until YOU become the unwilling instigator of your own demise.

The Golden Mask Ghosts also have a very powerful trick.  In some rooms, they "rest", becoming intangible for a period of time and returning with their HP almost entirely restored.  If you cannot kill them quickly, then they recover.  Archers are essential here, as they can deal black wound damage, which will NOT recover.  Although even archers fail at the titled ghosts.  These have extra protection, which results in a lower wound rate, making their only weakness into a pitiful attempt.  The only real way to combat these titled ghosts is simply to have the entire party swarm on them and do as much DPS as fast as possible.

Rewards are nice though.  VERY nice.  In two successful runs we performed, we were gifted with 1 copy of the Exploration Page 3, used to unlock Ice Spear, a Dragon Fang sword (two handed mega-blade, one-handed for giants), Red/Blue upgrade stones, and some very powerful enchant scrolls that we couldn't really utilize.  And gold.  Piles and piles of pure gold coin.

So are you interested?  Yes.
If you cannot contribute, you can contribute.  The rooms contain many multi-aggro mobs and sometimes require instant-contact massive DPS to win.  You can contribute by coming into the room, gaining aggro from monsters, and then playing dead.  This means that the monster or two are suddenly not a threat to the real fighters, and they can focus on immediate concerns and then deal with your aggro.  The resting rooms can also benefit if the non-contributing teammates do multi-casting of firebolt, smash, magnum, or windmill, in order to deal as much damage as quickly as possible from the whole party on a single target.

Plus, more members doesn't hurt.  At the worst case, you can sit outside the current room and leech exp.  It will not hurt the party's fighting at all, you get free exp, there's another chest at the end with potentially amazing rewards, and in the worst case, you can come in with a phoenix feather, revive someone, and immediately play dead.  Party Healing and all bard buffs will also work through walls, but we'll only need ONE dedicated bard.  No overplaying please.

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I suppose I'll be the bard. Though my specs aren't top class, my damage combined with my unfortunate permanent two second lag makes me pretty useless even against regular enemies.

Spoiler: Skills (click to show/hide)

Having lots of people is useful in many situations. For example, when push comes to pull Windmill used to be (and still is, sorta, but not as much as before because it isn't an invincible skill) the go-to skill. Peaca was done mostly by standing in a corner and windmilling all the ghosts to death by sheer numbers. Also, if you have HP to be killed in at least two hits or more, you can pull aggro off other people long enough to give them a brief respite and let them finish off whatever they were doing.


Girlin, are you going to be there? I think you would be quite helpful, as you are at least semi-proficient with the ranged attacks from what I've seen.
I think Seiryu is going too.
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Side note: the glowing parts aren't a guaranteed drop. It sucks.

Also I can come. Gotta snag the page for myself, though I know at least one other person (Girlinhat) also needs it. This should be fun.
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Also of note is you can attract aggro through the doors, as I did way back when.

And yes I'll probably go. It's a party whynot.

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Note of Help

The path to obtain glowing parts is very grindy. I would appreciate it if you all pitch in to help collect them >_<

What you need to do is first enter Karu normal with any item, and clear the first floor. Dubious Pot-belly Spiders drop portions of their body. You must exit and enter again, this time with that body portion. Clear the dungeon. The boss has a chance of dropping a glowing body part. Send them to me :3

Currently after four runs and four hours or so, I only have one, Glowing Pincer. I don't have Fang, Venom Sac, Leg, and Pot. Which means I pretty much don't have much.

One run per person per day will help tons. The dungeon itself is pretty easy except for the 2:1 archers. Going with two people makes it a breeze. Only one glowing part per part is needed.
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I still need the page for my elf, so I'll join in as well. Should be able, either tonight or tomorrow, to do some runs for glowing parts. I already have one, but not sure which one. I think it's the leg.

Also, since the changes to combat, gold mask ghosts are quite as bad as they were. I went in some time ago and could handle them without too much issues. Only problem was the ones with the unknown titles in rest room.
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Hello folks!

Later today (August 8th) I would like to hold a series of dedicated guild commerce runs. The plan is to bring along anyone with a wagon for a good hour or two of high-profit business ventures between Emain Macha, Bangor, Tailltean and Tara. During this time we will alternate between caravan leaders, who will blaze the trail a cart or two ahead of everyone else while carrying low value (Level 1 or 2) goods. This will ensure that when we do encounter bandits, they're not of the brutal, face-murdering variety. Players without wagons are welcome to join as our mounted escorts, and will also be paid for their service!

Post here or message me in-game if you would like to join! I intend to get the business started around 3 PM PST today!

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In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST;D

Please ignore the (my) poorly-written invitations, and defer to Nocneah's!
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In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST;D
No one cares about your fake wedding.

I will be participating in commerce and Karu though, if my internet allows.  While Skyrunner will try to claim the title of "worst internet in the guild" mine is actually non-existent right now.  It will disconnect randomly and boot me off of everything, but it will instantly reconnect most times.  It'll be off just long enough to make every MMO think I'm dead.  I would rather have a 2 second lag, as that's at least consistent and connected.

It seems to be clearing up a bit though, so I may be able to manage some things.

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I don't think a 2 second lag woul be that much better. Sure, it's constant, but it's very annoyin in combat. If you think of a simple Smash, it takes 2 seconds to register, two to go up to the target and stand around doing nothing, then finally hitting. Usually, the monster already turned Defense off by then, or it suddenly cancels Defence and smacks you round the head with a nice club, or the monster aggros and notice you.

Attacking with a 2 hit weapon is likewise perilous. N+1 is pretty much done for you, and often in between hits 1 and 2 the monster strikes you and you fall dead. You can't really heal either, 'cause it takes like a second or a half between clicks for heals.

Though I guess at least in my case I can do something that isn't combat. Kinda. Though there's only grinding...

About the internet disconnecting, do you use a splitter? There's a small chance the problem's there, like in my case a month ago.
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Hello folks!

Later today (August 8th) I would like to hold a series of dedicated guild commerce runs. The plan is to bring along anyone with a wagon for a good hour or two of high-profit business ventures between Emain Macha, Bangor, Tailltean and Tara. During this time we will alternate between caravan leaders, who will blaze the trail a cart or two ahead of everyone else while carrying low value (Level 1 or 2) goods. This will ensure that when we do encounter bandits, they're not of the brutal, face-murdering variety. Players without wagons are welcome to join as our mounted escorts, and will also be paid for their service!

Post here or message me in-game if you would like to join! I intend to get the business started around 3 PM PST today!

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In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST;D

Please ignore the (my) poorly-written invitations, and defer to Nocneah's!

Count me in!  :D
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In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST;D
No one cares about your fake wedding.

I will be participating in commerce and Karu though, if my internet allows.  While Skyrunner will try to claim the title of "worst internet in the guild" mine is actually non-existent right now.  It will disconnect randomly and boot me off of everything, but it will instantly reconnect most times.  It'll be off just long enough to make every MMO think I'm dead.  I would rather have a 2 second lag, as that's at least consistent and connected.

It seems to be clearing up a bit though, so I may be able to manage some things.
For once, you and I agree on something. I don't care about the marriage of pixels outside of Harvest Moon and other similar games myself. I also can understand your internet issues, as I have those myself as I have mentioned before. My issues entail my ISP intentionally throttling my speed for no good reason to the point where some areas are an even worse time for me lag-wise than they were two years ago with AT&T DSL.

There are also random disconnects that occur up to four times a day on average that require I reset the entire network infrastructure for the complex, seeing as the residents of this community housing facility that supposedly teaches the mentally ill and developmentally disabled such as myself independent living skills all share the same network. However, my problems regarding this and the lag seem to be nonexistent for the most part or at the very least minimized between the hours of 11:00 PM to 6:00 AM PST, as well as whenever the servers are not filled to the brim with kiddies, weeaboos, emos, and people I suspect may be Bloods and Crypts - what makes up most of the general Mabinogi player population.

I would like to throw in as well that I am going through what may be my first real case of physical illness this year. I almost never get sick with anything other than a cold though, so I should be fine. I might just have to take it a bit easier than before. That being said I won't be able to join in with the stuff related to Karu on Saturday because of that and also because you already have a bard.

I would like to thank SirAaronIII for that run through Karu yesterday. I hope Juni and myself were useful despite the lag issues at hand on our end.
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In other news, Skyrunner and I are getting wed in Emain Macha at 6 PM PST;D
No one cares about your fake wedding.

Bah, don't be such a fun-sucker! There's cake in it for you.....

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