Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

For

0 (0%)

Serious

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 0

Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[Skyrunner]

Also I believe the Mabinogi lore has more retcon than Futurama.  Do you know EVERYTHING that happened in that cryo tube?  GOD!

Mabinogi used to have a perfectly storyboarded and made story, up to G3.

Then G9 happened. Shadow world~
G10, G11, G12 were all shadow world. Then G13 and freaking Hamlet ... From there it's been not salvageable.

[Girlinhat]

Exactly, retcon.  And I think we can all agree that Shakespear never happened really.  We just won't talk about... that.

Although a free Siren's Flute is pretty awesome.

[SirAaronIII]

My question is, where did all the Shakespeare come from? Less importantly, why?

[Girlinhat]

According to lore... out of the blue, I guess.  As best as I can tell, one of the DevCat team scored some really nice pot and snuck off to the back corner of the library.  Seven days later, he shuffles into the office, bloodshot eyes and an overstuffed manilla envelope clutched in his grubby hands, muttering, "Man, I've got the greatest idea for what to do now that we have no more actual plot."

[Seriyu]

I'm not really going to try to find out why they thought shoehorning the hamlet plot into mabinogi was a good idea, but Shakespeare was the first milletian, a foriegn soul that's come to erinn in another body. That's really all that's terribly notable about him. Luckily they kept the shakespeare stuff firmly locked in it's own dimension.

I will honestly defend the plot up until the shakespere stuff begins. It still fits the plot and setting, there's some retconning, but given what it's competing with (litterally nothing in many cases) it still holds up really well. There are a few bits that I just hate

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(Why did Macha chuck herself into a lake because some dude dumped her or something? Whut? I know it happens in a lot of myths, but that doesn't make it make any more sense)

, but overall it makes sense. There's also quite ab it of overpowering of the player character, but it fits given that Milletians aren't nessacerily human, and having eternal life kind've makes you capable of doing a lot of shit normal people wouldn't be able to do. There are a few quirks here and there, but it's pretty solid. Not winning any awards, but hey.

Then Shakespeare happens and I just shrug and move on.

[Skyrunner]

In Korea's MMORPG market, Mabinogi is one of the few that actually have a story that makes sense, in a way. Excluding Shakespear, since we all know that didn't happen.

Of course, games like Talesweaver have an extensive story (they hired a famous fantasy writer for it), but the gameplay was sorta not up to scratch, so it failed.

[Seriyu]

I know RO had one, I can't vouch for how much sense it made, and it also seemed very fragmented, but it didn't seem horrible. I think maplestory tried to shoehorn in a plot but failed horribly and gave up? Mabinogi's works much better as a whole, along with the gameplay thing you mentioned.

Aside from that yeah, can't think of any. I'll still be covering the shakespeare bit, because near the beginning you can tell they tried to tie it in, but they got lazy and they basically went "shakespeare wrote plays, and uhhhh yeah. Also monsters."

[Girlinhat]

"Hi, I'm Shakespear and- HOLY FUCK THE GRIM REAPER IS AFTER ME!  Quickly, take this 2x2 book, and this 1x2 feather, and also wear this 2x2 hat while carrying this 7x2 sword!  Bye!"

[Frumple]

Horatio's cornrolls are one of the greatest things to happen to a shakespeare retelling, ever. I never did actually finish going through the shakespeare stuff, but what I did was pretty awesome, though more in the older sense of awesome than the newer.

Bishie Hamlet will forever be Best Hamlet.

Now, what it does to the rest of mab's storyline? Eehhh.

[Girlinhat]

Bishie Hamlet is Best Hamlet.

But Shakespear is rolling in his grave.

[Seriyu]

I'm pretty sure he started rolling in his grave when reader's digest wrote that "teenager version" of romeo and juliet, complete with horribly used  and spammed teenager slang of the era.

He's something akin to a jet turbine at this point, I think.

[Girlinhat]

At least that was following theme though.  It was "translated" but it was still the same core tale.  I think the only thing Shakespeare would argue about that is that it didn't have enough sexual themes - I never read the Reader's Digest version but I can promise you that Shakespeare was a bigger perv than their editors.

But Mabinogi turned Shakespeare into the Pied Piper and someone who tricked the gods, lived in an alternate dimension, escaped death, and apparently was an elf at some point.

It's sorta like the new movies of Sherlock Holmes and Abraham Lincoln: Bounty Hunter.  One is a retelling in strange ways, the other is blasphemy.

[Ibid Straydrink]

I remember my brief forays into G13- the most annoying clutter of inventory I've ever endured. It's hard to believe I was that hard-up for quick exp back then...

In general, I think there should be stricter international regulations regarding the development of plots and use of imagination by Southeast Asian game producers.

[Girlinhat]

I'd put a strict "No" on that.  I relish in the obscene.  The only restrictions should be applied to historical figures of renown, at which point it will be put to a vote at the next UN meeting, or the next Olympics, where their team will compete for the right to develop the plot further.

[Aoi]

I'm pretty sure he started rolling in his grave when reader's digest wrote that "teenager version" of romeo and juliet, complete with horribly used  and spammed teenager slang of the era.

Was that the one given the title akin to "Oh Romeo, oh, like, Wow?" I remember that one-- it was by Dave Barry. =P

It's sorta like the new movies of Sherlock Holmes and Abraham Lincoln: Bounty Hunter.  One is a retelling in strange ways, the other is blasphemy.

I found the Sherlock Holmes movies to be more blasphemous... at least Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is clearly intended as a joke. (Random note: Van Helsing's first name was Abraham too...)