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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[Girlinhat]

Also worth noting that if you change your options, you can zoom out 2x further in dungeons than in normal fields.  This can let you see the entire golem without scraping your camera on the ground.

[SirAaronIII]

The Mabinogi World wiki appears to be back up, but is running off a cached copy from last September. Not sure if this is more or less up to date than Mabinoger. Also, it's at the former address of the DFO wiki, which confused me when I tried to look up DFO things.

[Seriyu]

It prolly is, Mabinoger isn't that far back.

[Lordinquisitor]

I`m currently downloading mabinogi, because it seems like a good little time killer, and i wonder- How varied is the game? I have read about using windmill here and there- Are there only there only a few viable spells or abilities, or can one vary it?

My second question is- Is it easy to get some decent looking armor, gloves and helmets quite early, or will i have to walk around half naked the entire time?

And last but not least, i understand that there aren`t any classes, which i find appealing, but how viable is a bard build?

[Seriyu]

You can vary it up, I can't think of a single skill that isn't at leasta little useful, and all trees have a wide variety of useful abilities. Some shine more then others, like windmill and smash, but there's nothing wrong with ranking up other stuff after you've got them up to speed. Or even before, the combat is very much skill based, and as long as you know when to use what skills you'll prolly end up okay.

I honestly like a lot of the equips in this game visually, so I think it's fine. But if you start with something you dislike, there are things called robes which cover your active slots, and provide an alternative. They also have hoods you can bring up and down if you wanna keep your hairstyle or whatever visible. Humans and elves have some nice cheap heavy armor if that's your thing, giants are a bit more restricted in all equip senses. I'd say they're the worst off as far as good looking stuff goes, but don't be afraid to look through the mabinoger wiki, even if they don't have a ton of pictures up.

Bards are viable, but you really can't be a "pure" bard. In a huge party, people can protect you fine, but when a fight breaks out in a small party, you'll probably be expected to defend yourself unless you're rolling with a tiny god. I'd look into a "combat" skillset, and at least learn how it works, again, you don't need to heavily invest into a tree, most of your efficiency will come from just knowing how it works, and maybe periodically boosting a particular skill or two, while you focus on bard as your "main".

I also again feel the need, for whatever reason, to say it's very hard to mess up your character permanantly. Or at all, really. So don't stress out too much over where your AP should go, but if you have any questions, go ahead and ask people, they're friendly folks.   

[Lordinquisitor]

That was a nice answer, thank you for that. I`m quite looking forward to it, even if i usually abhor freemium games. (But this one seems to be an exception.)

I already knew that a sole bard wouldn`t be viable, but the fact that messing up your character seems to be quite hard makes it further easier for me.

I will notify you all once i`m set up and know how the game works.

[Seriyu]

If you've got steam, be sure to hop in the steam chat, it'll make getting help easier, as I'm about to be off for a while. If not, the thread is usually happy to answer questions, if a little slow.

There are definite benefits to paying? But most of them are convenience rather then huge bonuses. Such as inventory space. Inventory space is pretty much the big thing you're paying for, if not, time to inventory tetris. If you're just interested in the combat then you'll prolly be fine with what space you have, though.

[Lordinquisitor]

Sounds fine to me.

I wonder, will i have to attack with my instrument, or is it possible to quickly switch between weapons? Or is there at least a dual wield option? (If i`m going to play a part-time bard, that`s it.)

[SirAaronIII]

You can change weapon slots with ~ or Tab.

Attacking with instruments isn't too bad, actually.

[Sonlirain]

Attacking with instruments is hilarious actually. Even if you don't play a bard you should do G1 and watche Tarlach beat up things with his mandolin.
Best thing EVER.

Also if you want to focus on crafting stuff take the merchant destiny.
It's not nearly as good at fighting as a warrior (beat up your face with a weapon) or fighter (smash your face with his fists) but they get exp for harvesting materials and extra exp/rewards from doing daily quests.

Add to it the fact transporting goods between cities is probably the best way of earning money/exp in this game and suddenly mechant starts to look like a solid destiny for everyone.

Oh and as a bonus they get the location of the smuggler each night who will buy wares at a premium and specific wares at extra premium making him probably the biggest cashcow in the game.

As for dual wield.
There are 2 slots for weapons (left hand and right) so you can carry 2 one handed weapons and as a bonus giants cna carry 2 2h weapons or one giant 2h weapon that is exclusive to them (and elves cannot use 2h weapons at all because they're pathetic like that).

You also get 2 "modes" for your weapon slots.
You cna for example put a 1h sword and shield in one slot and a 2h sword in the other and be albe to switch them by using ~.
The other weapon will still be in your "hand" and therefore wont take up place in the backpack.

[Lordinquisitor]

Well, started on Alexina with my human bard- Named Siegfryd.

I`m level 16 now and so far it`s been quite funny. Obtained the lulaby, battlefield overture and the enduring melody and use mainly dishcord and counterattack in battles. Cleared the starter dungeon 4 times and nearly another, can`t recall which, but died there.

It`s amazing how easy it is to miss essential skills- Took me till lvl 16 to learn defense, windmill etc. 

Anyway, where is the guild stone located? Would love some guild action!

[Aklyon]

Readeth yonder bolde texte in the firste poste. Then telleth Seriyu in the groupe chate that you did that.

[Lordinquisitor]

I always feel silly when i miss something like that. <-< (I assume because so much text is bolded. )

[Seriyu]

bahahah, yeah I kinda overdo it sometimes, but generally if you just read the bolded text at least, you'll be good. :p

And note switching weapons like SirAaronIII said is possible but it can get tricky. Sometimes it's just better to stick with the instrument until the situation clears up a bit.

I also just realized I haven't linked how to disable the nagle algorithm in the OP, I need to do that still.

[SirAaronIII]

How long is Taming the Instrument going to be going on? I think everyone should do it, because at the end it gives a lyre and 20 AP which is super cool. The lyre... I guess you could sell it to someone if you don't want it, but I really don't know about the "ecolomy". The only downside is the proofs of Taming the Instrument are 2x2 (super annoying!) and you have to hang onto them for a week. At least they stack.