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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[majikero]

Don't worry Girlinhat, I'll give you a bhafel hunter...... somehow, sometime in the future.

[Girlinhat]

Bhafel Hunter is only good when used with the Bahfel Huntress (the arrows) otherwise it's worse than a HLB - quite a bit worse, honestly.  I suspect it has much shorter range as well - HLB is unique in that it has like +300 range on upgrades.  I'm holding out for Demonic Infinite Bow really...

[Kaitol]

After careful comparison, a Good Bhafel with high random stat rolls (why does it even get special random stat rolls?? Great way to make a rare hard to make weapon potentially meh by putting 70% of its stats up to chance devCat!) is the best in the game thanks to piercing, attack speed, and the huntress. With the demonic coming it at a close second with its 400 extra range. It really depends on the rolls.

I'd put it around on par with the highland even at all 0's for rolls if it had a huntress.

Highland is only 200 more range, unless I'm missing something. Which is only slightly more than a lance's range in difference. Fairly minor.

I'd wager most Bhafels would be a toss up between demonics as to taste and particular stats. With the occasional bad one competing with highlanders.

Infinite shots would probably be a big boon in longer stuff though. Save you inventory space too.

It is always faster than the HLB and DIB though, guaranteed, which I forget exactly how good it is for bows.

Its pretty obvious archers are intended for support roles though. Its kinda sad how laughable top tier bows are that are only like, twice as good as a store bought bow.

[Girlinhat]

Speaking as an archer - range makes a HUGE difference.  I recently gem-upgraded my HLB and got +100 range and it's EXTREMELY noticeable.  It can shoot from one corner of a dungeon room to about 98% of the room, except the exact opposite corner, and in open field combat it makes a world of difference (read: many shadow missions, raid bosses, certain dungeons due to their size...).  Additionally, aim time is a factor of your maximum range - if you have 2,000 range, and the enemy is at 1,000 distance, then you'll aim twice as fast.

Speed is also a HUGE deal with bows.  I actually love a good Elven Shortbow thanks to its speed and range upgrades, allowing it to fire very quickly and just pin a single enemy DOWN with rapid fire.  Longbows are slower in unclear ways, I can't put my finger on an exact method but using them for years there's a definite difference in how rapidly you can do things.

The DIB having longer range than even a Wing, and the speed of a tweaked out Elven Short, with greater power than a Highlander, makes it a truly terrifying weapon in all regards.  It doesn't get the infinite ammo, but as an Elf who relies on Magnum Revolver, I can assure you that the 2 quivers I hold will last me a solid week or two, and you can pick up a 1,000 arrow pack for like 10k.

A note on bow speed: it's rather like weapon hit rate.  A dagger hits like 5 times while a big sword hits only two.  Think of having a Claymore that has a 5 hit combo.

A note on durability: Bows lose .001-.0015 durability per shot (with blessing), estimating average .00125 per shot, that's 800 shots per point of durability.  HLB has 13 after upgrades, about 10,400 shots.  For an elf with two quivers, that's 10 restocks, give or take.  DIB has 16 dura, and the only gems are for +2 for a total of 18.  Bhafel has 15.  You can also equip Handmade arrows or Jousting Metallic Arrows for extra damage - not as much as Bhafel Huntress, but probably enough to overcome the difference in stats.

TL;DR - Range and speed are important.  Bhafel is a 'casual' bow for those you dislike restocking.  Demonic Infinite Bow is the one you want if you want to really own.

[Kaitol]

But... the demonic is slower than the elven short bow and the hunter?

HLB: 2 normal
DIB: 2 normal
Hunter: 2 Fast
E.Short: 3 Fast
E.Long: 3 Slow

and 100 range stat is literally two feet.  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Distance
So it really depends. Which is better, the aim speed boost from 10% longer range on HLB and 20% longer range on DIB, or the one rank faster attack speed on the Hunter? Is there even a way to finitely measure them?

[Girlinhat]

Measuring would be difficult at best.  Probably need mods that trigger timers every time you shoot or something...

And the range IS a big deal.  That +2 feet of range may not seem like much, but as you use it you'll see a marked improvement in combat.  Honestly that's a BIG reason to get the DIB.  That range.

As a comparison, my +range HLB can target Boss Bandits beyond their aggro range.  I don't need to even try to use Shot of God to get the infinite range bug, I can already hit stuff that's on the edge of my draw distance!  And the range REALLY helps when you've got melee in the party - every time they use Smash, you're still in range to fire after the enemy lands.  It does make a world of difference.

[SirAaronIII]

Range is indeed pretty serious. That 2 feet could be what allows you to kill something and not get hit. Here's a sort-of-lame example: Having a wand adds 200 range to bolts. This allows me to blast carnivorous plants without even getting scratched.

But the real purpose behind this post was that I'm idling in the banquet, and I've just come back to some people uselessly arguing over the merits of education and how OP the free pegasi are. It pretty quickly devolved into insults and poor comebacks, and right on cue, good ol' NPC Maike says

You all look so pathetic.

I think that makes up for everything he's ever done in the story, and more.

[Kaitol]

My main beef with the pegasi is when 50 people summon them indoors during peaceful events for no raisins and cause massive lag so bad I barely get a ticket despite waiting an hour and a half because I suck at timezone conversion.

There needs to be an option to minimize peoples PETS. Or just make them invisible altogether.

Almost forgot. Randomly found a pair of thames plate gauntlets on the ground while commercing to tir through cuilab. +3 smash. Now I just need to find some other pieces randomly left around! (seriously people pick up your loot. Wait. On second thought, don't pick it up. Leave it allll lying around on the ground. Then message me about how you don't need no highlander claymore silly game, and leave your current position and channel too while you're bragging!)

[SirAaronIII]

If you're referring to the banquet, I'm sorry, I'm guilty of that. I just want the easy 200k exp for my pegasus. Minimizing pets would be great though, seeing as quite a few pets are more detailed than people are.

And if you can find the rest lying around, I have a thames plate armor 3/2 that I need to get rid of.

[Kaitol]

Meh. If you get a pet out for a legitimate reason I've got no beef but for people constantly summoning and unsummoning them and riding them around for 30 seconds then dismissing and summoning like ten different pets in a row..... yeah.

Go do that crap on channel 1. No one will notice more lag there.

[Skyrunner]

Did the people on NA Mabinogi get hit by an AP bomb,too?

[SirAaronIII]

3 AP a day for the last events, which lasted a pretty long time. There was also the AP lottery thing a few weeks back in which you could win 2 AP like poor Abaque, or 60-something like Laur. One person on the server won 1k I think.
The next 2 weekends will be double AP per level. On a fresh rebirth that'll easily net 160 or so if you only level up on weekends.
The AP coupons from daily shadow missions and the EP ending boxes combined give you 4.2 AP a day too if you do them all.

So kinda. AP is not as precious a commodity as before, but it's still hard to get after a couple weeks without rebirthing.

[Skyrunner]

Not that. People apparently get AP from journal entries now, and the ap was awarded retroactively. People got like 800 AP overnight.

[SirAaronIII]

Ah, in that case, definitely not.

[Seriyu]

I think by and large US mabi has pretty much copy pasted from korea mabi so it's entirely plausible that that'll happen at some point!