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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[krisslanza]

I swore I read in the patch notes that shadow missions don't scale anymore but apparently not. Maybe they meant they scale by talent level now rather then cumulative level. Which is only marginally better, namely in the sense that if you spread your AP out things won't nail you quite as hard even if you are at 1k. Still a bad system and they need to scrap it.

EDIT: Well, on the other hand it does promote teaming up in a game where you would initially think impossible (I'll just grind the story away!), and I can understand why they crank up stats rather then write new AI (because people tend to figure out new AI rather quickly if the wiki guides on the Iria saga are any indication, along with the fact that people had "solved" the black dragon about two days into the release, admittantly likely because japanese or korean wikis can just be copied from but still, cranking up stats will last the life of the game and making new AI, while fun and neat to deal with, will last a week tops) and putting people into a position where they can't one shot things is a good way to increase difficulty given the nature of the game.

I suppose at the end of the day the question is, does that sort of thing belong in generation quests. Probably not, even after what I said.

From what I recall they changed Romeo's Shadow missions because they scaled to your level, but Romeo seemed to have a fixed level - AKA, if you were high level, Romeo was too weak to actually have any chance of finishing his solo Shadow missions.

I THINK.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, I actually figured out what happened with that, briefly, in the last "nightmare" update, they changed the scaling to be fixed rather then scaled, but then immediately changed it back with the next patch. Current theory is they're making a new difficulty between int/adv to make the jump less painful, but there's no hard proof on that.

[Ibid Straydrink]

Do we have an ETA on the G12-14(?) fixes yet? A relatively recent convert, I actually enjoy Mabinogi's penchant for insane anachronisms in the case of Avon, and can't wait to get back into the fray.

[Seriyu]

Nexon doesn't have release dates for fixes so much as "it'll happen when a sever reboot is happening and we also have the fix ready". So just keep your eyes on the topic, I'm sure dir will say something when it's fixed.

EDIT: IT's also patching now, maybe it's fixed already.

Also, it being a weekday, the giant sandworm has a window to spawn pretty much all day for about an hour. If you see the jerk feel free to yak about it in guild chat.

We are also one dragon claw richer. I don't know how many dragon parts we need for dragon gears when that crafting skill comes out, but more is better. I'm currently saving up AP for heruin engineering, annnnd aco I believe wants to work on magic crafting. If anyone else also has a penchant for these things please feel free to do it too, who knows how far me/aco will get in before we get distracted and go do something else (by me/aco I of course just mean me)

[Seriyu]

Posting because we did a ton of dungeon runs, AND I netted some patron boots (1 blacksmithing enhancing point so probably about as bad as they can be, but STILL), annnnd a confident enchant, which gives +20 str to an accessory. Rank A. It's already been enchanted (Thanks Dir/SirAaronIII), and sitting on my person. If we're feeling particularly ballsy, when magic crafting comes out and someone can make a particular accessory in that tree that gives up to +10 to every stat, we can try to burn it off the current accessory and transplant it to the said stat boosting accessory and make something REALLY nice.

Also to get people a bit more salivating for the new crafting skills, heruin engineering can make a bow. It's a really nice bow, easily top tier, but besides that there's nothing odd about it besides the fact that it's made with dragon parts. Until you get to magic crafting, which can make an arrow for that bow, also made with dragon parts. The hook? that arrow gives the dragon bow, and only the dragon bow infinite ammo. On a top tier bow that puts many lesser bow egos to shame. YEP I believe there's also an ice lance one of the two crafting skills can make that has a chance to freeze enemies when it hits them. This is looking to be "blacksmithing mark 2 also without manuals".

To be fair to blacksmithing I can't see most of these being cheap to repair/maintain, and they're very hard to make. So this isn't something you hand out to random chumps.

It can also make a suit of armor (maybe 2 eventually???) that is heavy armor that elves can wear, so if there were any elves that desperately wanted to be melee fighters, well here you go! Although it's also made of dragon parts. I think.

On top of this it can make guns which is nice but; you know, we don't have those skills yet so who knows how good those are?

Magic crafting makes wands and MAYBE knuckle/wand hybrids. If you've ever wanted to be a fist wizard now is your chance. They also make a few new accessories th at DON'T raise def/prot, notably the stat one from before and I think one other one that I forget.

I will be trying my damnedest to hit rank 1 in heruin engineering, but from what I've heard training it is like blacksmithing but worse so who knows. I WILL DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY PEOPLE

[krisslanza]

Heavy armor only for elves!? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS 

[SirAaronIII]

Pretty sure it's heavy armor that can also be worn by elves.

[Seriyu]

Yeah that. Anyone can wear it, it's just notable that elves can also wear it.

[Girlinhat]

I've been after some heavy armor... chances are it'll kill my dex though.

[Seriyu]

You'll still have a little while before the change kicks in!

But yeah with the coming dex changes unless you're a wizard or melee (maybe) elf you should probably avoid it, what with massive dex being elf'ses thing.

[Seriyu]

OKAY LET'S TALK DRAGONS

Notably dragons because we haven't managed to find that dang worm yet (not that anyone's been trying very hard but we'll get him god damnit).

Dragon field boss, typically you're there either because you heard me yelling about it in guild chat and came running (and then heard me whine and moan about dying every now and then because dragons make me TENSE) or you managed to stumble on it while it was spawned and probably got chased around by raptors until you died. It's a lot like Jurassic park like that, if Jurassic park's climax involved a dragon smashing through the electric fence and setting the park on fire. But how do you live through this thing with a minimum of death?

Let's talk raptors first. If you have a mission to kill raptors (it is very much worth it to kill raptors, some people think the dragon's defensive stats are tied directly to how many raptors it has nearby, so killing raptors may well bring down it's def and prot. More in depth spading to follow, I'm sure.) it is best to find a group of people, preferably one with a decent level fighter and help them pound the shit out of them. You don't have to join their party, just follow them around. They won't mind the help because it results in dead raptors faster and you won't mind the help because you're not getting killed because you tried to solo one.

Raptors have two tricks, one, they can do an AoE Cone in front of them. If they stop flinching and start kind've like, writhing around a little, you either want to run behind them a short distance and continue beating on them (they're not flinching so it's an opportunity for big damage by smash equivelent spamming), or defend, preferably with a shield, then beat on them. Counter doesn't work, don't bother trying. If you see them jump into the air, just load defense and hope for the best, because as soon as they come down the attack will come out and you'll take a hit and go flying, and if you're unlucky attract the attention of OTHER raptors.

Raptors will also fully heal up to their current max HP whenever the dragon flies/every now and then seemingly at random. Distance from the dragon doesn't matter: they always heal. If you have archery skills you might consider knocking their max HP down a bit with arrows, as it makes killing them a lot easier. That combined with a fighter's def/prot reduction/massive 1v1 damage makes for a good combo.

Now let's talk about the dragon himself. Rule number one, stay away from the front of the dragon. If you are in front of the dragon you will probably die within the minute. He has two attacks, one of which I don't know anything about because I've never stood in front of him, and another, a stomp (NOT BEING STEPPED ON; TAKE NOTE) that will automatically set your HP to deadly even if you have mana shield on. It is possible to get hit by the stomp if you're off to the side a little. If you suddenly get stomped, remember, if your HP is at deadly and your mana shield is on, mana shield cannot protect you. Just run away and find a medic. The fire breath probably just does rediculous damage. Either way, don't be in front of him.

His second, and most useful/frustrating attack, is.... as you'd guess, moving around. You can get stepped on! It will usually take about three steps to kill a non mana shielded human. If you see him move, run away, and remember, the AoE for the step is actually based around which foot is moving. If his left foot is moving, juke to the right, if his right foot is moving, juke to the left. It's not foolproof but you'll dodge a few steps eventually with that knowledge. It's also just really fun to dodge around his feet. My general advice is to run away if he's moving, as he can turn on a time, he's a very dexterous fellow. It's hard to get away from steps without getting mangled unless you run asap, so do that.

His third and a runner up to most useful, is his flight attack! IF you see "attack canceled" flash on your screen, RUN AWAY AND TURN MANA SHIELD ON, he's taken off into the air, even if the animation didn't go off, and if you're lucky some guy with a bow is windmilling his little heart out to bring him back down to the ground in a very janky and poorly represented way. If you're unlucky he'll get the attack off, and if you didn't run soon enough you'll take three hits of up to 100 damage. The only thing that reduces this damage is high rank/int mana shield, and your transformation's mana reflector. I reccomend using mana shield for THIS if you didn't bring a lot of potions to recharge, as it doesn't do an amazing amount of damage, but it's non negligible, and it reduces it by a meaningful amount. If you didn't bring potions turn off mana shield after it's done, as steps will drain your mana shield very quickly, as deadly as they are. Feel free to turn it on if you're low on health too, and hopefully making an escape. Now as I mentioned earlier, if you have a bow, you windmill when he flies. Due to a bug or maybe by intent, bow windmills (bowmills) can hit flying dragons, and when they do, they bring them back down to earth and cancel the attack. If you don't have a bow, don't windmill, or you will make it fly and everyone will be very angry with you. Again, if you windmill the dragon with anything but a bow, it will take off into the air. Just smash spam.

So, you beat the dragon and got goodies for it, notably a huge amount of exp and a less huge but still pretty good amount of gold. Also a random prize! Most of the time it'll be 300 SE potions or something, or maybe leather. Leather is useful for everyone because hey weaving dex yaaay! Ingots should go to a blacksmith, ask in guild chat if anyone wants X ingots and they will send you on their way to either make them useful, or send them to someone that wants them. Cloth/Silk works in a similar way, ask someone, they'll tell you who to throw it at. Obviously if you can use either, use them, this isn't a hard rule, we need more crafters, I would just prefer someone make use of them rather then you selling them for 5k because the crafting economy is deflated because nobody crafts because gachas.

Maybe if you are super lucky and got more then 1k contribution (Contribution also effects the amount of gold and exp you get), you might have gotten a DRAGON PART. They are not useful yet, but they will be. I would reccomend holding on to them until Heruin Engineering comes out in a few weeks, then either selling them or throwing them at me(Bariaus)/acolyte0, as we intend to work on the crafting skills that use the dragon parts. If you want to sell them, wait for the crafting skill to show up. The prices will almost certainly shoot up as everyone scrambles to buy dragon pieces to make new fancy things. A notable dragon part is a dragon heart. It is used in any super good crafting, and it sells for a small fortune. Be particularly careful with these, they're very valuable!

So that's that.

[MadMalkavian]

I cannot seem to get this game to run without it taking up to thirty minutes to log-in and load. I might try Mabinogi again when I get a new computer.

[Seriyu]

So, another friday, another generation EP. But this one drops an... actually good demonic weapon! (Not that knuckles aren't good, but you'd also have to go through a notably unfarmable quest chain to even get a chance at them) You may be wondering how it stacks up. Let's find out!

First off, we'll be comparing the Demonic death knight sword with a War sword.

For damage, just starting out, the damage of both... well the war sword is already suffering. The Demonic blade has a 9 point edge on it, along with a whoppin 15 point edge on base damage! But that doesn't really matter right, with good balance you've only got 9 points down and the demonic blade isn't so far ahead that it'd be worth paying the repair costs...

Except it's first upgrade adds 30 max damage and ten crit. For NO DOWNSIDE, aside from cost and proffing it. I would keep going but know that the only thing the war sword has an edge on with the demonic sword is it's wound rate, which as you should all know is an afterthought for melee. All of it's upgrade chains end with it having a small edge on max damage, and a like, 20-30 point lead on min damage, along with maintaining a decent crit rate and balance. This thing is good. All the demonic weapons besides the cylinder are good. Even the cylinder is technically good, it's just not good enough to be worth going through the hullabaloo for it. These things have easily earned the title of best weapons in the game, and the only thing you need to use them is a relevant grandmaster talent. And now they're available through spamming a daily quest chain, much to my chagrin. Prepare for an era of unrivaled face smashing (unless they remove them after the saga premier or something but that's still like 2-3 months worth of potential demonic shit.)

Go forth and spam!

[krisslanza]

What reward was given out at this, and last weeks, reveal anyway? I completely forgot they are also "Hot Time" events.

[SirAaronIII]

Random cash shop stuff, mostly. The first one I got 5 soul stones, the second one I got a fine reforge, and this one I got 5 waxen wings.

So don't feel too bad for missing them. The reforge was probably the best thing I got so far.