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Author Topic: Castle Story - Castle building RTS with mining and 'splosions. Still devin'  (Read 69954 times)

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It's like lending someone some cash in exchange for payment (in goods) at a later date.  Occasionally someone won't pay you back.
No, there's a huge difference between a loan and an investment. let's not complicate things further.
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As long they are offering items that are in actual existence at the time the KS starts, your argument holds true.
But the point of KS is offering some that *might* exist in the future. There is no promise that they will actually deliver on any of their promises, even the minimum amount.
The prototype didn't exist at the time of the KS launch, like the beta didn't and the final game didn't.
The backers are taking a gamble that the actual game will be made, like any investment.

Comparing to the girl scout cookies, they actually give you the box right when you pay, or at the very least have the cookies on hand. they aren't promising you some cookies in the future, in case that their cookie making programme works.
I must admit I don't know the actual detail of girl scout cookie selling, since we don't have scouts selling stuff here, so the analogy might fail purely on cultural differences.

And no, you should not feel like a dick for demanding you get your reward, after all; investors want their returns.
But you should feel like a dick for yelling about it being delayed, when you know that games will *always* be delayed.

Again, you are confusing the actual project and the rewards. plain simple. also, your argument is somewhat naive. if i pre-order diablo 3, i expect to receive it, it doesn't matter that the game wasen't finished when i pre-ordered it, hell, it doesn't even matter if it was not even starting development at the time of the pre-order.

if you go to any furniture carpentry and pay up in advance, they are legally obliged to deliver that furniture you ordered or give your money back. if they are not doing so, you have every right to sue them and easily win.

The whole concept of kickstarter is not even to fund a game. it is to fund the starting of the development of a game, and as such, the dev's have no legal obligation to actually finish the game, just start it, but, and that's the big but and the reason i am still debating here, if you are being promised a specific product or service in return for money (backer reward level), then it is no longer purely a donation and it really doesn't matter if that product existed at the time or not. i cant stress this enough. (what if they decided to not deliver a t-shirt?)

No one should feel a dick for demanding what they were promised especially if at the time it was hinted that the prototype has already existed.
And this is the main issue here. it is not about a game being delayed. its not even about the date of the prototype release, its about the false incentive that was given to backers.

I never changed my pledge level nor felt cheated because they came forth and confessed it wasen't ready fairly early on during the funding campaign, and for some reason they sound like a trust worthy guys so i mentally changed my pledge from an incentive for purely donation but this doesn't change the fact that if someone who did not track the project until its kickstarter completion and pledged the $25 just so he could see the prototype before the beta testers has just found out he doesn't get his reward and felt cheated, he had every right to feel that way without feeling like a dick.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2012, 04:19:51 pm by burningpet »
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Yeah, it did tick me off a little that we didn't receive the prototype. I would accept it even if it had horrendous bugs, it is a prototype after all. These things take time, though, but they should've been a little more honest about it.

Still, we don't want to escalate this too much and get the only CS topic locked.

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I've been on the verge of posting a couple times but bit it back. Every KS thread ends up eventually as a debate about the ethics/morality/theory of Kickstarter, and that's a bit off topic and has gone on a little longer than it should have.

Saying how the performance of the thread topic's Kickstarter makes you feel is totally within bounds....as long as people don't go off the deep end.
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Yeah, it did tick me off a little that we didn't receive the prototype. I would accept it even if it had horrendous bugs, it is a prototype after all. These things take time, though, but they should've been a little more honest about it.

Still, we don't want to escalate this too much and get the only CS topic locked.
This is actually the second CS thread (that I know of). The first was locked due to excessive image spam :P
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Jacob/Lee

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Yeah, it did tick me off a little that we didn't receive the prototype. I would accept it even if it had horrendous bugs, it is a prototype after all. These things take time, though, but they should've been a little more honest about it.

Still, we don't want to escalate this too much and get the only CS topic locked.
This is actually the second CS thread (that I know of). The first was locked due to excessive image spam :P
Oh, right, I remember that. Fry was too enthusiastic with throwing his money. Still, we don't want to push our luck. :P

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All this is boring.  What's the actual status of things?

Aklyon

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All this is boring.  What's the actual status of things?
As usualboth pre-kickstarter and after it finished, the dev diary is the answer to your question. Probably.
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Bump. Prototype release is slated for the 17th this month.

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Prototype's released. Go to humblebundle.com and make an account / log into your account with the same email you used to register with castle story, it should be in your list of games.

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Welp, Prototype is really buggy ATM, but I guess that is to expected. At least its still playable, libit a little annoying to do so.
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Their account system is royally fucked up for me, gonna wait a week for the dust to settle from the thousands of people who probably are having issues with it and mail them to get it sorted out... (their IRC is a warzone atm)
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I really want that one as a "when". I want "grubs", and "virgin woman" to turn into a dragon. and monkey children to suddenly sprout wings. And I want the Dwarven Mutant Academy to only gain their powers upon reaching puberty. I also have a whole host of odd creatures that only make sense if I divide them into children and adults.

Also, tadpoles.

burningpet

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Well, i am still trying to decide whether their control system is pure genius yet to be grasped, or a god damn clustered mess. i tend to go with the latter.
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I've actually found it to work quite well, other than bricktrons taking supid build priorities (walling off sections they need to build, leading to them standing around holding a block doing nothing), and mining point markers not dissapearing even if you remove the group.  The latter is rather minor, but my megaprojects (*cough* eyeofsauron *cough*) keep failing from the former.
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Probably no reason other than it giving them a larger B-peen.
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You know what I like? Having to go make an account on yet another goddamn service I don't use. Yeah, I get that their bandwidth requirements make it so they can't host it themselves. I still find it annoying as shit. Would have been nice if they'd used some of that $700,000k for webspace and bandwidth. Maybe it cut too deeply into their poster budget.....
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 09:33:45 am by nenjin »
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Cautivo del Milagro seamos, Penitente.
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When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.
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Its kinda silly to complain that a friendly NPC isn't a well designed boss fight.
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How will I cheese now assholes?
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Always spaghetti, never forghetti
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