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[Mageziya]

The acronym is also a.... what's the word for an acronym with a dual meaning?

Anyway, a shiv is a knife, rather fitting, and as stated earlier HIV would not work out so well as an acronym.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I think we all see the magnitude of the problem here. SHIVs are too light, actual super-heavy vehicles aren't going to fit on the Skyranger, and MECs still have squishy parts.

Gentlemen, we need a new class of weapon, a missing link, a metal gear to bridge the gap between infantry and artillery. And with us using their fancy toys, those xeno scum will regret ever setting foot upon the pale blue dot.

...someone write this fanfic. Or draw fanart

For some reason I fail to imagine X-Com fielding Metal Gear. All I can imagine is Metal Slug...

[Mr Space Cat]

SHIVs can't take cover, which is necessary to operate the node as well as some other things.

This is fixed in Enemy Within. SHIVs and MECs can retrieve meld and disable power nodes or bombs. Neither can open doors though. Gotta burst through doors SWAT team style.

[crazysheep]

This is fixed in Enemy Within. SHIVs and MECs can retrieve meld and disable power nodes or bombs. Neither can open doors though. Gotta burst through doors SWAT team style.

Ah, thought so :3

Also, thought of running the XCOM project along the lines of the Deathwatch, since the setups seem quite similar (small force insertions, combined tactics from different armies united under one banner, revolutionary weapons that everyone wants later). Thoughts?

[Sirus]

I think we all see the magnitude of the problem here. SHIVs are too light, actual super-heavy vehicles aren't going to fit on the Skyranger, and MECs still have squishy parts.

Gentlemen, we need a new class of weapon, a missing link, a metal gear to bridge the gap between infantry and artillery. And with us using their fancy toys, those xeno scum will regret ever setting foot upon the pale blue dot.

...someone write this fanfic. Or draw fanart

For some reason I fail to imagine X-Com fielding Metal Gear. All I can imagine is Metal Slug...

LMG = HEAVY MASHEEN GUN
Rocket Launcher = RAWKET LAWN CHAIR
Shotgun = SHAWTGUN
Blaster Bomb = ENEMY CHASER
And so on and so forth...

[Sensei]

SHIVs can't take cover, which is necessary to operate the node as well as some other things.

This is fixed in Enemy Within. SHIVs and MECs can retrieve meld and disable power nodes or bombs. Neither can open doors though. Gotta burst through doors SWAT team style.

While regular soldiers burst through doors SWAT style, I think the way MEC's go through door would be better described as "Kool-Aid Man style".

[Mageziya]

SHIVs can't take cover, which is necessary to operate the node as well as some other things.

This is fixed in Enemy Within. SHIVs and MECs can retrieve meld and disable power nodes or bombs. Neither can open doors though. Gotta burst through doors SWAT team style.

While regular soldiers burst through doors SWAT style, I think the way MEC's go through door would be better described as "Kool-Aid Man style".

I'm pretty sure Sectopods can go through doors. Every unit counts as one tile and thus can walk through doors.

[Parsely]

I think we all see the magnitude of the problem here. SHIVs are too light, actual super-heavy vehicles aren't going to fit on the Skyranger, and MECs still have squishy parts.

Gentlemen, we need a new class of weapon, a missing link, a metal gear to bridge the gap between infantry and artillery. And with us using their fancy toys, those xeno scum will regret ever setting foot upon the pale blue dot.

The nightmares? They never go away, Commander. Once you've shot down your first UFO, tasted the exhilaration, the tension... it all becomes part of you. Once you've defeated your first sectopod... it never sleeps again. You crave ever bigger research projects, ever larger hordes of rookies. As a member of XCOM, I'd think you would have realized that by now. You care nothing for power, or money, or even sex. The only thing that satisfies your cravings is killing alliums! All I've done is give you a place for it. I've given you a reason to live.

[Mech#4]

We really need a conversion mod of X-COM into Metal Slug.

Four soldiers, unlimited ammo, rawket lawnchairs, hordes of traitor military followed by tentacled Martians. SHIV is now a Metal Slug, complete with self destruct.

[Sean Mirrsen]

We really need a conversion mod of X-COM into Metal Slug.

Four soldiers, unlimited ammo, rawket lawnchairs, hordes of traitor military followed by tentacled Martians. SHIV is now a Metal Slug, complete with self destruct.

I was actually thinking the other way around, and with the original X-Com. Tanks used as Slugs, default weapon is a Laser Pistol, with various Autocannon/HEs, Heavy Plasmas, and the like.

And any one hit kills your trooper, just like in X-Com!

[Markus]

We really need a conversion mod of X-COM into Metal Slug.

Four soldiers, unlimited ammo, rawket lawnchairs, hordes of traitor military followed by tentacled Martians. SHIV is now a Metal Slug, complete with self destruct.

I was actually thinking the other way around, and with the original X-Com. Tanks used as Slugs, default weapon is a Laser Pistol, with various Autocannon/HEs, Heavy Plasmas, and the like.

And any one hit kills your trooper, just like in X-Com!

If that was the case, does anybody think the Sand Simon (http://metalslug.wikia.com/wiki/Sand_Simon) would work as the starting tank, and the Metal Slug use the, ahem, "Plasma" and "Blaster Launcher" slots?

[GreatWyrmGold]

I still don't understand why you'd want to play on normal. It'd be too easy.

You're making me feel bad.

Don't feel bad, you just haven't been educated in the art of the Beagle.
Sure, it's EU (Though haven't you said you only have EU?), the only thing that doesn't really work in EW is the conga-line, since aliens can overwatch upon discovery opposed to doing nothing.

Indeed. (Although I don't know why "Move around" counts as "Nothing." especially for bastards like the cryssalids.)

Super heavy? Infantry vehicle? I unno. That doesn't make much sense. But eh! c:

It's heavily armored, meant to take the place of an infantry, microvehicular in nature, and "super" makes it sound cooler.
Also, a shiv is a kind of weapon.

The acronym is also a.... what's the word for an acronym with a dual meaning?

A backronym is an "acronym" where the words were chosen to fit the acronym.

Also, thought of running the XCOM project along the lines of the Deathwatch, since the setups seem quite similar (small force insertions, combined tactics from different armies united under one banner, revolutionary weapons that everyone wants later). Thoughts?

Wrex is running a game which uses the Only War rules, but they're basically the same.

SHIVs can't take cover, which is necessary to operate the node as well as some other things.

This is fixed in Enemy Within. SHIVs and MECs can retrieve meld and disable power nodes or bombs. Neither can open doors though. Gotta burst through doors SWAT team style.

While regular soldiers burst through doors SWAT style, I think the way MEC's go through door would be better described as "Kool-Aid Man style".

I'm pretty sure Sectopods can go through doors. Every unit counts as one tile and thus can walk through doors.

We were talking about opening doors, though.
And I'm kinda sad that nothing is ever multitile. I'm sure there were technical limitations or somesuch, but seriously, a SHIV could live up to its name better as a 4x4 and sectopods and such would be even more terrifying if they were twice as big in every dimension.

[Mageziya]

I'm pretty sure Sectopods can go through doors. Every unit counts as one tile and thus can walk through doors.

We were talking about opening doors, though.
And I'm kinda sad that nothing is ever multitile. I'm sure there were technical limitations or somesuch, but seriously, a SHIV could live up to its name better as a 4x4 and sectopods and such would be even more terrifying if they were twice as big in every dimension.

Apparently the original X-Com had Cyberdiscs and Sectopods as 2x2. It was glitchy as hell. Supposedly, it was possible to mind-control one tile of the four tiles. This would immobilize it as you had it shoot itself to death.

I've never played the original X-Com, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Parsely]

SHIVs seem to be the polar opposite of shivs.

[Mageziya]

How so?

Spoiler: Also, this just happened. For reference, that is my only interceptor over the continent. (click to show/hide)