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[Sharp]

Medkit makes you immune from poison, anyway it's a game, you can't rationalize it, it's like saying why isn't their any close air support?

[forsaken1111]

Medkit makes you immune from poison

It does? I don't recall that. I know some armors do...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Medkit makes you immune from poison

It does? I don't recall that. I know some armors do...

I do. You can't be poisoned if you are holding a medkit.

[forsaken1111]

Didn't know that. o.o

[Sirus]

Never noticed that either. Of course, I usually just have one guy holding med-kits anyway.

[Tarran]

I believe it says it in the description.

[EnigmaticHat]

Spoiler: like the Pyramids of yore (click to show/hide)

It really is kind of silly, agreed.

It's pretty necessary from a balance perspective though.  If you could take three items there would barely be any tactical choice in the item slot at all.

I don't really agree. I could take half a dozen grenades and two medkits with me in the original xcom and it didn't upset the balance at all. Its really just laziness, they threw out tactical flexibility for artificial balance reasons.

Most items (besides weapons and armor) in the old Xcom aren't passive buffs, whereas the opposite is true new in Xcom.  Carrying three different items in old Xcom gave you the option of equipping three different items.  In new Xcom, it would let you give significant buffs your health, aim, crit chance, and will.  And that's not even a very optimized setup.

The inventory puzzle in old Xcom is managing every clip for every one of your soldiers.  In new Xcom, its deciding which vital, unambiguously good piece of gear you can do without.  Yeah its gamey, but its also an intentional design decision.  So not laziness.

I don't see how you rationalize that putting a scope on your rifle means you can't carry a medkit. Medkits aren't passive buffs, nor are grenades.

I don't rationalize it.  That's what I mean by it's gamey; it doesn't make sense or need to, its just there for gameplay.

Grenades and medikits aren't passive buffs, but they're also very powerful.  Grenades blow up cover in a game that's all about cover.  Medikits in new Xcom are different because they undo damage.  Old Xcom's medikits just deal with the secondary effects of damage such as bleeding and will loss.

Look at it like this: with three pockets and no artificial restrictions, you would have twelve grenades in the starting mission.  Even if grenades did 0 damage, that would still be a win button.

[Tarran]

Grenades also always hit the target.

[Leafsnail]

The inventory puzzle in old Xcom is managing every clip for every one of your soldiers.

Until you give up and use lasers.

[Mageziya]

Let's not forget that supports can get the ability Deep Pockets, allowing them to carry two items in the vanilla game.

Now, if there were 3 default pockets via modding, plus the Pocket from deep pocket, then it gets ridiculous. They could carry a Medkit (Or three in the same pocket with upgrades, and these three each could also heal up to 12 HP and revive downed soldiers with upgrades, too.), Chitin Plating, a S.C.O.P.E., and an Alien Grenade (Or Arc Thrower), plus the inherent smoke grenade (And if you're feeling a wee bit insane, a total of 2 smoke grenades, but then you can't have 3 Medkits.).

In total, 3 stupidly useful Medkits, 4 extra HP, +10 aim (Along with the high aim of a high-ranking soldier.), a cover destroying object that does 5 damage, and an item that makes your troops less likely to die.

And this isn't even covering the possibility of the support being psionic.

The game is balanced differently from the original, as mentioned earlier, the challenge is deciding which useful object to leave behind. Adding more pockets for everyone removes that challenge. The only way to balance the additional pockets is to severely nerf the items.

TL; DR: 3 Default pockets = A godly support.

[Parsely]

Let's not forget that supports can get the ability Deep Pockets, allowing them to carry two items in the vanilla game.

Now, if there were 3 default pockets via modding, plus the Pocket from deep pocket, then it gets ridiculous. They could carry a Medkit (Or three in the same pocket with upgrades, and these three each could also heal up to 12 HP and revive downed soldiers with upgrades, too.), Chitin Plating, a S.C.O.P.E., and an Alien Grenade (Or Arc Thrower), plus the inherent smoke grenade (And if you're feeling a wee bit insane, a total of 2 smoke grenades, but then you can't have 3 Medkits.).

In total, 3 stupidly useful Medkits, 4 extra HP, +10 aim (Along with the high aim of a high-ranking soldier.), a cover destroying object that does 5 damage, and an item that makes your troops less likely to die.

And this isn't even covering the possibility of the support being psionic.

The game is balanced differently from the original, as mentioned earlier, the challenge is deciding which useful object to leave behind. Adding more pockets for everyone removes that challenge. The only way to balance the additional pockets is to severely nerf the items.

TL; DR: 3 Default pockets = A godly support.

Which is why they never should've run away from the original XCOM formula.

[Neonivek]

Look at it like this: with three pockets and no artificial restrictions, you would have twelve grenades in the starting mission.  Even if grenades did 0 damage, that would still be a win button

Yeah... they would have to make the aliens better.

[Leafsnail]

I think the items work better in the new XCOM.  Rather than "take laser rifle and a medkit, stuff the rest of the backpack with explosives" you make a tactical decision about whether you want healing, increased HP, a 100% reliable explosive, increased accuracy or the ability to capture an alien.  The items are well-balanced enough that it's often a struggle knowing what to take.

[Thexor]

Let's not forget that supports can get the ability Deep Pockets, allowing them to carry two items in the vanilla game.

Now, if there were 3 default pockets via modding, plus the Pocket from deep pocket, then it gets ridiculous. They could carry a Medkit (Or three in the same pocket with upgrades, and these three each could also heal up to 12 HP and revive downed soldiers with upgrades, too.), Chitin Plating, a S.C.O.P.E., and an Alien Grenade (Or Arc Thrower), plus the inherent smoke grenade (And if you're feeling a wee bit insane, a total of 2 smoke grenades, but then you can't have 3 Medkits.).

In total, 3 stupidly useful Medkits, 4 extra HP, +10 aim (Along with the high aim of a high-ranking soldier.), a cover destroying object that does 5 damage, and an item that makes your troops less likely to die.

And this isn't even covering the possibility of the support being psionic.

The game is balanced differently from the original, as mentioned earlier, the challenge is deciding which useful object to leave behind. Adding more pockets for everyone removes that challenge. The only way to balance the additional pockets is to severely nerf the items.

TL; DR: 3 Default pockets = A godly support.

Which is why they never should've run away from the original XCOM formula.

On the contrary. The original games didn't cease to exist when the new game came out, and there are a lot of very similar games (many fan-made) that fill the more classic XCOM niche.

XCOM: EU is a very capable spiritual successor to the original. It does not attempt to copy the original, and frankly, I believe it would've failed spectacularly if they'd tried to directly recreate a classic.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It isn't inherently wrong to deviate from the original X-Com. Had they not, we'd just be holding the original X-Com with a significant graphical update. I think the changes they made were good ones.