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[Kagus]

Yeah, you couldn't get back countries in the original.  But it was almost necessary for there to be a base in that country for a while before they turned away from the council, so there was at least one base mission involved in nipping things in the bud, I suppose...

[GiglameshDespair]

In the original when a country signed a treaty with the aliens they let them build a base.

Couldn't retake the country, but you didn't need them either.

[Flying Dice]

I wasn't aware that you could get countries back in the original.

I'm almost positive you couldn't, but new alien bases were established over time.  So base assaults were common.  Good way to get guaranteed commanders.

This. Was talking about base assaults. Because base assaults are boss.

Though of course LW doesn't let you farm easy Elerium from them.

[Sheb]

Yeah, I was wondering, is it good strategy to let a country go so you can assault it? I've not played LW yet, but in Vanilla it seems that the more mission, the better, since it gives you XPs and stuff. Of course, fatigue may change that.

[Flying Dice]

I'd argue no for precisely that reason. Your most critical resource in LW is soldier readiness; even with ~75 troops I've usually got ~5-10 in medbay and 2/3rds fatigued, and that's just with ordinary mission load.

Incidentally, that's why I don't go crazy with genemodding despite having a metric fuckton (as opposed to an imperial fuckton, natch) of Meld: they increase fatigue time. More than one or two and you're looking at extra days. It's also why SHIVs are good, since they take some of the pressure off of actual soldiers. Additionally, it's why maintaining a diverse roster is good. If you get to the point where all of your ready-to-go troops are snipers and medics, you're pretty much screwed.

[Sheb]

Gene mods increase fatigue? Dang, any other thing that influence fatigue?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Using Psi also drastically increases fatigue. While I agree with the fatigue system existing, applying it to psi and genemods was a bad decision, though Psi is also totally OP even in Long War.

[Sheb]

Yeah, not sure I like that. It's actually the first change I heard of I don't like.

[Flying Dice]

Eh, I can sort of see a point to it, insofar as that it forces you to make a meaningful choice (because let's be honest, with the upped number of missions in LW, none of the resources are particularly limited).

It also makes it more important to have officers on every mission, thanks to the fatigue-reduction perk they can get.

[Mephansteras]

Aren't terror maps about finding the aliens rather than getting to civilians?

Not in Long War. Panic goes up for every civilian that dies, even if you ultimately win the mission. That's what happened to me. I won, no casualties on my side and all aliens dead. But with only 4/18 civilians saved South Africa went up enough on the panic meter to go full red.

I could save it with a Satellite, but then I'd have to add air coverage to Africa and....I'm not sure I can afford that.

Long war is tough. But I like the decisions you have to make at a strategic level.

[puke]

Yeah, not sure I like that. It's actually the first change I heard of I don't like.

Yep.  This is why I turned off the extra psi and gene fatigue in the .ini

LW is fairly customizible.

[i2amroy]

Yeah, not sure I like that. It's actually the first change I heard of I don't like.

Personally I'm a fairly big fan of it, since it forces you to make a tactical decision. Do you upgrade that soldier with the nifty genemods and psionic abilities knowing that you won't be able to use them as much? Or do you keep them as merely human to get more use time out of them? It gives you a reason to not necessarily upgrade people other than "I didn't have enough money/meld".

That said if you are making enough use of SHIV's (I have basically at least 1 every mission, sometimes 2 depending on how few soldiers I currently have) then you can usually get by with adding 1-2 genemods to a soldier just fine, since each one only gives like +4 hours or so fatigue.

[Neonivek]

Too bad not all psi and gene mods are created equal.

It forces some gene mods into absolute "No you stupid moron! It isn't worth getting!" (Then again... those gene mods were always SO BARELY worth it in the normal game...)

As well as giving you a need to coddle your psychic for a while.

Mind you Psychics kind of make up for this and become sort of like a strike team... Genemodded people don't.

But then again the worst part of any turn based strategy game for me... is this excessive need to coddle your troops... Like I am their mother and need to make sure they all get special attention.\

But of course... this is all preference rather then actual criticism... Well except the "Some genes suck" but the base game had that problem too... it just gets aggravated in the long war.

[Sharp]

Hey is anyone getting crashing problems? I thought it was Long War causing issues for me but vanilla EW seems to just be crashing every 10 mins, is pretty annoying :/

So far I am pretty much stuck on the first mission because of the crashing but I am liking the extra number of starting soldiers on Long War, it does seem to make it a lot easier.

[Sheb]

So far I am pretty much stuck on the first mission because of the crashing but I am liking the extra number of starting soldiers on Long War, it does seem to make it a lot easier.

I am liking the extra number of starting soldiers on Long War, it does seem to make it a lot easier.

Long War (...) easier.

Ahahahahahah.