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[nenjin]

I can't wait for modders to descend on the game's code in a horde. I feel like it will benefit as much from modders like most Bethesda games benefit from them.

[fenrif]

RPS review: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10/08/xcom-review/

Some things he didn't seem to mention:

You have no idea what class a rookie is untill you've leveled him up at least once. You also can't select when hiring new guys what classes you want. I don't know if it's because I've had a lot of snipers die, but I had like 4 rookies in a row turn out to be snipers.

The overwatch system is all kinds of buggy. People/aliens will shoot through walls and obstacles (and hit) if they're on overwatch. People also use up their overwatch shot as soon as an enemy moves, which sometimes means they're unloading into a brick wall only for the enemy to end up a square away from them in the open unharmed. Especially annoying if you have multiple people on overwatch and they all unload completely ineffectually.

Other than that, and a few more niggly little annoyances and my own personal hatred for the class system it's pretty fun. At first I was annoyed at how different it was from the original, but I guess those kinds of game are old hat now. Once you get past that though it's very engrossing.

[hemmingjay]

RPS review: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10/08/xcom-review/

Some things he didn't seem to mention:

You have no idea what class a rookie is untill you've leveled him up at least once. You also can't select when hiring new guys what classes you want. I don't know if it's because I've had a lot of snipers die, but I had like 4 rookies in a row turn out to be snipers.

The overwatch system is all kinds of buggy. People/aliens will shoot through walls and obstacles (and hit) if they're on overwatch. People also use up their overwatch shot as soon as an enemy moves, which sometimes means they're unloading into a brick wall only for the enemy to end up a square away from them in the open unharmed. Especially annoying if you have multiple people on overwatch and they all unload completely ineffectually.

Other than that, and a few more niggly little annoyances and my own personal hatred for the class system it's pretty fun. At first I was annoyed at how different it was from the original, but I guess those kinds of game are old hat now. Once you get past that though it's very engrossing.

Playing on XBOX?

[kilakan]

I actually think not knowing what class a soldier is until he starts to train is a brilliant idea. I mean realistically you don't know what someone is good at until they start doing it.

[Smitehappy]

There is an upgrade in the officer training school that starts every soldier with one rank in their class.

[fenrif]

Playing on XBOX?

Yup. I think I actually prefer it with the controller.

I actually think not knowing what class a soldier is until he starts to train is a brilliant idea. I mean realistically you don't know what someone is good at until they start doing it.

I imagine realistically you'd have at least some sense of what they were good at before you sent them to fight unknown horrors from beyond the stars with the best technology mankind can muster though? I never got the impression the XCOM soldiers were just picked up off the street. I thought it was like a Men in Black thing where they're all allready military/law enforcement/whatever trained.

It's not a huge huge deal, though I find it really annoying. It's a big part of why I'm not a fan of the class system. I can see why some people would like it however.

[kilakan]

Yeah I suppose so, I was looking at it more along the lines of that they are using technology they have never used before as well.  Though you don't really start that way so yeah it is pretty odd.  Maybe you could get a mod that splits rookies up into sub-classes like Precision, speed, and strength so you get at least a sense of what they physically can do to start with.

[Zangi]

Or you could consider that the pool of recruits is made of violent criminals who took a deal with their governments to join X-Com... and/or fresh recruits/volunteers out of boot camp.

Would have to play it a bit before I can get down a more crazy/plausible explanation based on mechanics and flow of the game...

[fenrif]

Well all I know is that I've lost 5 soldiers so far. And they've all been snipers. Now I only bring "Lucky Shot" my original surviving sniper who has yet to even be wounded.

Basically giving someone a sniper rifle for some unexplainable reason means they will die within two missions.

I am quite excited for the modding possibilities though, have they said anything about mod tools or the like?

[Grakelin]

I actually think not knowing what class a soldier is until he starts to train is a brilliant idea. I mean realistically you don't know what someone is good at until they start doing it.

If I was running an international military project to save the Earth, I'd get pre-trained soldiers!

[LoSboccacc]

you won't be saving earth with pennies, either..

[Anvilfolk]

Why is fenrif not getting the enormous mountain of hate he deserves for already having access to the game while the rest of us are waiting?

Also, fenrif, what the heck are you even doing here?

[LoSboccacc]

I had this mountain ate this big but I used it up all today at work.

by the way, dinner pause is over, down with overtime 

[fenrif]

It's a turn based game, I can play and do other things at the same time.

[Owlga]

Oh my god fenrif you son of a bitch. No fair I have to wait like 10 hours still!


Gaaahhhh.

Today is gonna feel so, so long.