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[Arx]

PYTHON IS SUPER COOL

Now you have to explain, for the babby nublet that is me.

Dynamic size arrays, and dynamic typing. I would dearly love those in Java or C++.

Also, import skynet

[Skyrunner]

PYTHON IS SUPER COOL

Now you have to explain, for the babby nublet that is me.

Dynamic size arrays, and dynamic typing. I would dearly love those in Java or C++.

Also, import skynet

I think you mean from __future__ import skynet

[Putnam]

(that line isn't even a joke)

[Reelya]

PYTHON IS SUPER COOL

Now you have to explain, for the babby nublet that is me.

Dynamic size arrays, and dynamic typing. I would dearly love those in Java or C++.

It's very basic to create a dynamic array type in c++, and you have operator overloading to make it work as seamless as a built-in class. Numerous libraries already exist to implement it.

If you want an idea of why they suck though, try implementing one in basic c/c++. If you want to keep sequential memory addresses, then you have to basically create a resized copy and then delete the original every time you resize it. All this overhead is just hidden from you in Python, which is slow as fuck as a result.

As for dynamic typing: great for saving time hacking together a small script, shit for actually developing large complex systems that need to run fast. And that's what C++ is really good at.

[Putnam]

Lua has the exact same issue with list resizing.

[Skyrunner]

Dynamic size arrays, and dynamic typing. I would dearly love those in Java or C++.

It's very basic to create a dynamic array type in c++, and you have operator overloading to make it work as seamless as a built-in class. Numerous libraries already exist to implement it.

but because it's C++, the dynamic arrays aren't as easily manipulable as a Python array. Of course, you can implement the same things yourself, but it's a hassle to.

[Reelya]

From what I can see, python arrays aren't really arrays at all, they're linked lists

http://www.afterhoursprogramming.com/tutorial/Python/Lists/

It doesn't make sense then to complain that built-in arrays in c++ don't have the same features. c++ arrays are direct-memory linear access. They're super-fast for that reason. There are plenty of libraries that implement lists and automatically resizing arrays.

See the c++ STL libraries for vector, list and map. Those are all dynamic array types that are already standard in c++ and can be quickly extended by the user. Also, see function templates if you want to be able to pass any type of variable to a function without needing to know what it accepts.

Also, runtime type checking is the best. Beats all else. 1, it catches errors at compile, so they don't bite you at runtime, or affect your users. 2, compiler checking types means that functions already know the types / datasize of their instructions. That means a lot less runtime type checking and errors.

[Parsely]

PYTHON IS SUPER COOL

Now you have to explain, for the babby nublet that is me.

This should explain all there is to know about Python.

That's more helpful. What's an array?

[Mephisto]

This is unrelated to the current discussion, but I thought some of you might enjoy programming talks.

[Sheb]

A friend of mine was talking to me all the time on FB saying uninteresting things, so I made a script to auto-answer stuff like "Yeah" "Totally" etc etc.

However, a bug sent him like 10000 messages. Ooops.

[MagmaMcFry]

Good, that should keep him talking for a while.

[Maklak]

For me the lack of Curly Braces support in Python is a deal-breaker. But then Perl is so much uglier. Maybe learning Ruby would be a good idea?

[Levi]

For me the lack of Curly Braces support in Python is a deal-breaker. But then Perl is so much uglier. Maybe learning Ruby would be a good idea?

Yesssss.  Ruby is basically a prettier perl anyway. 

[Mephisto]

For me the lack of Curly Braces support in Python is a deal-breaker.

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from __future__ import braces

[MagmaMcFry]

For me the lack of Curly Braces support in Python is a deal-breaker. But then Perl is so much uglier. Maybe learning Ruby would be a good idea?

Now now, don't blame Perl for your ugly Perl code; it's your own fault if you irresponsibly overuse all the shortcuts and extra features Perl has built in to make your life easier. It is entirely possible to write perfectly pretty and legible Perl code; you just need a touch more self-control than with other languages.

In other news, this is my new favourite programming language.