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[GlyphGryph]

My personal projects on the other hand make steady progress until I stop working on them completely.

[Siquo]

Even Toady uses a height map for his complex 3d terrain with volume and internal structure.

I know, and I don't like it. I want overhangs, arches, shallow caves, gaps, cracks, etc

I'll just start with a sphere and some displacement, and go from there, I guess.

[Nadaka]

Those are 99% erosional features. A good weathering algorithm applied to a traditional height map may be able to provide some/most of the features you are looking for.

[GlyphGryph]

Well, if you have a height map and various materials in a pseudorandom placement to fill each level, "empty space" as a valid material would potentially accomplish a similar effect, no?

[MorleyDev]

My personal projects on the other hand make steady progress until I stop working on them completely.

Preaching to the choir man I have a habit of starting a project to test a theory or idea (such as making there be no difference between the player and NPCs except for which AI controller is moving them around, or using an entity-component model) and when I have a proof of concept, I know it will work and I can do it, I just lose all interest in continuing. The fun part of figuring out how to get my idea to function is complete after all ^^

[Aqizzar]

I really wish C# had a way to selectively clear the console.  Remembering even tile that needs to be overwritten is a pain, but for-looping a 59x21 block of text is not quick enough (that is to say, instant).  I'm definitely going to be looking into "graphic" libraries in the near future, but by Max's take libtcod is a joke.

Speaking of, hey Max, didn't you say you were working on your library?  What's involved in doing that?

[Levi]

I still like libtcod, but maybe its a bit more sane in python.

[Max White]

I know, and I don't like it. I want overhangs, arches, shallow caves, gaps, cracks, etc

I'll just start with a sphere and some displacement, and go from there, I guess.

It is best to model after your problem domain, right? I'm pretty sure that is geology  layers and formations always form without such things, and then they come up later.
The trick is to introduce igneous intrusive structures that don't erode nearly as much, then you will get all these cool structures.

[Nadaka]

This weekend, I will only be able to code for my self if I am too sick to drive to Mississippi and play airsoft and deliver and setup some equipment to my grandfather...

[Max White]

Java goes retarded when generics are involved, apparently. Anybody know why this isn't working?

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public class ArrayMap2d<T extends TileMappable> implements Mappable2d
{
private T[][] tiles;

public ArrayMap2d(int width, int height)
{
this.tiles = new T[width][height];
}
}

[Mego]

Does the constructor maybe need the generic tag as well?

[Nadaka]

http://www.angelikalanger.com/GenericsFAQ/FAQSections/ParameterizedTypes.html#FAQ104

You are not allowed because generic arrays are not type safe, yes it is retarded.

[Max White]

Well I was going to make this awesome roguelike library in Java because I wanted the cross platform support, be nice to the linux users and all that, but fuck it, I'm done here.
Moving back to c#, Java needs to get its pants off its head and act like a grown up language. I'm not asking for it to be as serious as its father c++, but if little brother c# can handle this shit, I expect the same.

[Mego]

cross platform support, be nice to the linux users

Lolwhat.

On many Linux platforms, Java is so broken that an additional package called JPackage is needed to make it run right. On Fedora, my distro, even JPackage doesn't fix it.

Linux is hardcoded to reject Java. That's why I like it.

[Willfor]

If you want cross platform, I would have went with python. You're losing raw speed, but gaining infinitely more. Infinitely.