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[Azthor]

Actually, they didn't pay for those, you guys did.

Yes, and did they get the benefits of the taxis they did not pay for? No... Still, here is the raw math.

A, B, C, D and E are, respectvely, Dwarf, Elf, Azthor, Cript and Kisame.
All of them wish to go to location X1. The Taxi costs N.
They share the expenses among themselves equally. Each of them pays 0,2N, getting the benefit of an N costing Taxi.
Having arrived at X1, A splits from the group, whereas the rest decide to go to location X. The Taxi costs M.
Each of the four pays 0,25M. Once more, each gets the benefit of an M costing Taxi.
Now at X2, B splits from the group, the other three proceeding to X3. The Taxi costs O.
It costs roughly 0,33O each, whereas, the individual benefit remains O.

A only got to use N, which he shared with the others.
B only got to use N and M, which he too shared with the others.
C, D and E got to use N, M and O, always sharing the cost for each of them.

[Skyrunner]

That is the problem. You can't distribute tech levels. Its either all or nothing.

...that is no different than pooling one of us 20 000, researching, then sharing the tech. They are the same mechanically speaking.

It IS different. Like I said, it gets its own three shiny d100s; and what if you pool someone and he betrays and refuses to share, or demands something in return? Ensured trust and extra dice are the motives.

Own dice:: Usually one has three dice and may spilt it up to three ways in exchange for researching three at a time. Joints allow you to use those dice to further your private research.


Also, I think I'm not understanding you right. I'm going to update the way I think first; at least this once.

As soon as I get home, will update.


EDIT : Note that this time you have some $40k in one tech. For one turn of research, 2.99 levels is the max. You might want to consider doing something else too.

[Taricus]

Actually, they didn't pay for those, you guys did.

Yes, and did they get the benefits of the taxis they did not pay for? No.

Following up on the Taxi example, The guys that chipped in the full amount also pay for the guys that didn't fares as well when needed, such as the second ant third taxis.

[Azthor]

Look at the above post it took a while to write it, hence the delay.

[Taricus]

I mean that, in the example provided, they also went to X2 and X3, they just didn't pay for it...

[Azthor]

I mean that, in the example provided, they also went to X2 and X3, they just didn't pay for it...

Excuse me for the caps but... GODDAMNIT, I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT SPLIT UP FROM THE GROUP, one at X1, the other at X2.

Also, I had absolutely no idea of wheter 40 000 was enough for 2,99 levels. Now I have a hint saying it is. I will change the research focus of "X2" and "X3".

[adwarf]

What Taric is trying to say that joint research will cause those (Even if they didn't pay the same as the rest) to reach their objective by relying on the others money to get them there. Thus they all share benefits. This is research not a taxi. If four nations join together in research, and succeed they all get the research (IRL) they don't give one guy half the research, and another a fourth simply, because they couldn't fund the same as the rest.

[Azthor]

What Taric is trying to say that joint research will cause those (Even if they didn't pay the same as the rest) to reach their objective by relying on the others money to get them there. Thus they all share benefits. This is research not a taxi. If four nations join together in research, and succeed they all get the research (IRL) they don't give one guy half the research, and another a fourth simply, because they couldn't fund the same as the rest.

You say that solely because it cuts in your profits. You could easily not build the barracks in Renalia, which, by the way, aren't of much use except you need to form a full mixed squad in a single turn, which you cannot even do at the present ime. As for your example, it holds no merit. For starters, I am switching the focus of the two tiers you chose not to fund, which means it wouldn't even be the same project. Furthermore, it is perfectly feasible for three nations to hold different research efforts based around a single area, with the participating members overlapping. Mechanically, you'd pay just about half of what we are, get the same benefits and walk away with a building we couldn't afford (not that I'd spend in that). My advice? Cancel the barracks and divert 4600 to the pool, you will get the full benefits.

[Skyrunner]

Now, no accusing here >:/

[adwarf]

I don't want the full benefits, and I am not trying to gain more then I have spent here as I could careless as long as I get Economy tech. I am just pointing out to you that scientists wouldn't make something, lets use the nuclear bomb for an example, and then have one take all of the research notes, and leave the other two with a blueprint on how to make one with no way to produce the parts >.> I am just using common sense.

[Azthor]

Now, no accusing here >:/

It is a perfectly conceivable one. Also, you cannot deny the point of which he would, indeed, be overly rewarded should he share the full benefits of these who forked over $10 000, for only $5 600.

On a side note, even the technology necessary to deveop a nuclear device is the result of several different researches. You would be righ if I hadn't done the tiering, but with it, it can be assumed that the aspects of Economy being focused on are distinct.

[adwarf]

Okay I hereby withdraw my funds ... I don't care if I only receive economy tech, and I am not trying to ride on other peoples funds, but you are missing an important fact its called joint research for a reason its not called we spent more money then you, so you only get this pile of scraps now go away.

[Skyrunner]

Mmhm. Still, technically it is accusing Anyways, I am itching to finally get the first turn done.. its been some 120 posts... I wish my parents didn't take me shoe shopping even though I politely refused >.>


NINJA : Yup, that's why I wanted to deter accusing. It makes people angry regardless of truth or not.

[Taricus]

Azthor, consider this advise. Don't go making yourself look like an ass. That just makes you a target.

[Azthor]

Okay I hereby withdraw my funds ... I don't care if I only receive economy tech, and I am not trying to ride on other peoples funds, but you are missing an important fact its called joint research for a reason its not called we spent more money then you, so you only get this pile of scraps now go away.

Fair enough, I won't attempt to lock you into the gulf for that, and I still intend to keep the afore arranged bordes. Regardless, I never threatened anyone into the pool, it was all merely a result of the obvious benefits. Even at $5600, you'd still be getting 5 times your investment. I'd call that a pile of gold, as opposed to scraps.