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LogicalDash

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Blood Market for Vampires
« on: January 01, 2012, 09:22:48 am »

Vampires sufficiently pure of heart should be able to take fresh blood from a person with their consent, probably secured by paying them.

Bottled blood should also be available--maybe it is already?--but in the absence of any way to test it for contaminants, you'll take your chances with what kind of disease you'll get from it.

That said, vampires who survive for very long should have wicked strong immune systems.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2012, 10:04:21 am »

There are already "barrels of blood" available in various trader-caravan stocklists, certainly.

Now I'm wondering whether it's a good thing or a bad thing (in the imminent vampire-infested version) that you could take these off their hands...  I could see a vampiric soldier with a hip-flask covertly filling it with such blood rather than the water/alcohol you'd told him to, as part of his or her 'cover'.  Of course, if they're only taking from barrels (without refilling them), then maybe they're more the semi-Black Ribboner or consensual sort.  Rather than the ones that would have a quick toddy of alcohol-pervaded body-claret "from the source", given the opportunity.  (If you had no barrels, it might force even the 'nice' ones to attack through thirst, and even if they only killed wildlife it would make them look more guilty than they need be.  But if you have some it could keep even the vicious ones hidden longer by resorting to second-best while staying discrete about their nature, but who knows how much influence/trust they could build up during that time.)
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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2012, 12:25:23 pm »

A body market would be cool. There could be could be vampires who will pay you for fresh bodies regardless of whether they were obtained legally (killing bandits) or illegally (murdering villagers).  Body snatcher style.   Evil vampires would ask you for the blood of a specific person like the king of a civilization and pay loads of money.

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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2012, 01:12:22 pm »

barreled blood is useless as it stands, so maybe now it could be useful by keeping a potential vampire off the necks of your kittens. Also what could be a little funny thing would be if a "nice" vampire is sent off for a cleaning job, they could get their blood fix by licking the walls, or possibly emptying out the bodies, had they not been buried already.
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Anyone of the equivalent to the royal bloodline in a nomadic group would have a sun tattooed on their hand, or a scrotum on their forehead (it's a little-known fact that fraternities are based off of long-forgotten tribes).

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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2012, 02:23:39 pm »

A body market would be cool. There could be could be vampires who will pay you for fresh bodies regardless of whether they were obtained legally (killing bandits) or illegally (murdering villagers).  Body snatcher style.   Evil vampires would ask you for the blood of a specific person like the king of a civilization and pay loads of money.

Traditionally vampires need to get their blood from living beings.  Necromancers might want bodies though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2012, 04:42:56 pm »

I think vampires should only be able to drink the blood of sentient creatures. The idea that vampirism means just blood diet is a new one invented along Buffy and other shows with vampires as regular persons with supernatural properties. I find it genuinely disgusting.

Classically vampires are monsters, who live by draining life from living people. Turning them into mere carnivores would mean they could live side by side with mortals who'd have no reason to complain.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 06:29:01 pm »

Also I doubt medieval technology is enough to keep blood alive for any appreciable amount of time.

Also RenoFox a blood diet isn't so bad. There isn't enough blood to go around to sustain a vampire indefinately.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 07:31:01 pm »

I think vampires should only be able to drink the blood of sentient creatures. The idea that vampirism means just blood diet is a new one invented along Buffy and other shows with vampires as regular persons with supernatural properties. I find it genuinely disgusting.

Classically vampires are monsters, who live by draining life from living people. Turning them into mere carnivores would mean they could live side by side with mortals who'd have no reason to complain.

Vampires preying on the livestock is a theme that has been around for a very long time. 
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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2012, 07:37:50 pm »

I think vampires should only be able to drink the blood of sentient creatures. The idea that vampirism means just blood diet is a new one invented along Buffy and other shows with vampires as regular persons with supernatural properties. I find it genuinely disgusting.

Classically vampires are monsters, who live by draining life from living people. Turning them into mere carnivores would mean they could live side by side with mortals who'd have no reason to complain.
maybe it could depend on their attributes. If they're weak, or have high value of relationships, or anything else "nice" they may dine on strangers or livestock, and if they're ruthless, they'll drink the blood of anyone if they start getting thirsty.
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Anyone of the equivalent to the royal bloodline in a nomadic group would have a sun tattooed on their hand, or a scrotum on their forehead (it's a little-known fact that fraternities are based off of long-forgotten tribes).

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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2012, 10:59:49 pm »

Wouldn't this make it, you know, far too easy to locate a vampire and dish out justice in the spikiest way possible?

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 12:10:22 am »

So any Idle dwarves who wander the fortress and happen to innocently walk through the blood stockpile get impaled by wooden spears?

I would expect that the vampire would take similar precautions to avoid being spotted drinking from a barrel as it does when drinking from a barrel dwarf.  And the upside is that your dwarves don't die from blood loss.

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« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 09:15:16 pm by SuicideJunkie »
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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 12:11:57 am »

A dwarf vampire that drinks booze with a preference for blood would be a great way to disguise vampirism :P

Better if it did it whilst stealthed.

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2012, 04:53:45 am »

A dwarf vampire that drinks booze with a preference for blood would be a great way to disguise vampirism :P

Better if it did it whilst stealthed.

But, but... Zey do not drink... Mushroom vine...

Joke aside, Vampires definately need to be more or less invisible to you when they do illegal vampire stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2012, 05:38:12 am »

Invisibility also being a big give-away[1], a glamour/mesmer-based 'avatar' doppleganger might be necessary to disguise the fact that an unseen Urist McSuspicious isn't currently idling in the dining room or anywhere else...  Perceptive companions might realise that they hadn't been 'all there', when the general call later comes in for information regarding a just-discovered murder (or bring it to the authority's attention earlier? ...thus perhaps accusing a 'good' vampire who wasn't meaning to be trouble... yet, at least).  Or Urist McDeadly 'mentions' that he happened to spot that Urist McOblivious (who had been idling in the vicinity of McDeadly's avatar, while McDeadly was off doing his 'thang') maybe shimmered a bit more than he should, even given the amounts of alcohol both parties had apparently been imbibing.

Anyway, I'm really not sure yet (and have avoid the Dev announcements, recently, so don't know if it's addressed) how the transition from living to 'missing' is going to happen for the surreptitiously murdered.  Wampires vould haff ein scimilar trik, no?


[1] It's either "uh oh, this guy going to turn up dead" or "uh oh, this guy going to turn up undead", unless you can get 'normal' dwarves playing hookey as well.
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Re: Blood Market for Vampires
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2012, 09:34:41 am »

Regarding vampiric nature and behavior, Toady mentioned that vampires are going to be procedurally generated, so there will be different kinds of them, from Edvard Kullen to Deacon Frost.
As for vampire-mortal relations, there isn't such crime as being vampire (yet), blood sucking dwarfs are accused of murder, nothing else. So there's no reason why more friendly overseers can't set up a blood supply for those vamps that do not require someone's death to live on.
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