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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9675 on: November 18, 2012, 10:50:18 pm »

We're screwed no matter what if D.C. gets nuked.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9676 on: November 18, 2012, 10:55:53 pm »

We specifically have a procedure in place for whenever there are a lot of people in the presidential succession gathered together or otherwise possible to all die at once.  A random cabinet member in good healht is taken to a hidden bunker before the event and guarded by a small army of secret service people.  This happens whenever there is a state of the union address or when we get freaked out by something like 9/11.  So you'd not only need 17 people to die in an attack on the most secure location on earth, you'd also need the designated successor to die in a hidden location at the same time despite having no known medical complications.  I'm not saying it's impossible but... oh wait, yeah, it's impossible.

Nuclear weapons aren't that big a threat.  While all 19 people reside in Washington, it's very, very unusual for all of them to actually be in DC at the same time.  Outside of the State of the Union address, they are spread around the city enough that it would take more then a rogue nuke to kill em all.  We're talking either a very large ICBM or a barrage, i.e. one of the big 5 nuclear powers.  We'd have warning that the missiles were airborne and getting the president out of DC would be the least of our worries.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9677 on: November 18, 2012, 11:42:30 pm »

We specifically have a procedure in place for whenever there are a lot of people in the presidential succession gathered together or otherwise possible to all die at once.  A random cabinet member in good healht is taken to a hidden bunker before the event and guarded by a small army of secret service people.  This happens whenever there is a state of the union address or when we get freaked out by something like 9/11.  So you'd not only need 17 people to die in an attack on the most secure location on earth, you'd also need the designated successor to die in a hidden location at the same time despite having no known medical complications.  I'm not saying it's impossible but... oh wait, yeah, it's impossible.

Nuclear weapons aren't that big a threat.  While all 19 people reside in Washington, it's very, very unusual for all of them to actually be in DC at the same time.  Outside of the State of the Union address, they are spread around the city enough that it would take more then a rogue nuke to kill em all.  We're talking either a very large ICBM or a barrage, i.e. one of the big 5 nuclear powers.  We'd have warning that the missiles were airborne and getting the president out of DC would be the least of our worries.

Would we get shut down by the US government if we started brainstorming ways to circumvent this?

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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9678 on: November 18, 2012, 11:48:49 pm »

We specifically have a procedure in place for whenever there are a lot of people in the presidential succession gathered together or otherwise possible to all die at once.  A random cabinet member in good healht is taken to a hidden bunker before the event and guarded by a small army of secret service people.  This happens whenever there is a state of the union address or when we get freaked out by something like 9/11.  So you'd not only need 17 people to die in an attack on the most secure location on earth, you'd also need the designated successor to die in a hidden location at the same time despite having no known medical complications.  I'm not saying it's impossible but... oh wait, yeah, it's impossible.

Nuclear weapons aren't that big a threat.  While all 19 people reside in Washington, it's very, very unusual for all of them to actually be in DC at the same time.  Outside of the State of the Union address, they are spread around the city enough that it would take more then a rogue nuke to kill em all.  We're talking either a very large ICBM or a barrage, i.e. one of the big 5 nuclear powers.  We'd have warning that the missiles were airborne and getting the president out of DC would be the least of our worries.

Would we get shut down by the US government if we started brainstorming ways to circumvent this?
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So, lets say, the best time would have to be early in a term, when the people are just getting acquainted with their jobs and such, and aren't flying around.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9679 on: November 18, 2012, 11:49:05 pm »

So...

"Bay 12's Plan to Completely Cripple the Line of Succession to the U.S. Presidency Thread"?
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9680 on: November 19, 2012, 09:36:44 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9681 on: November 19, 2012, 12:16:38 pm »

One advantage of the US political system is that even if the federal government was crippled, the country as a whole would continue functioning because each state has its own government to step in and keep things going. Yes, lots of areas would have issues, but it wouldn't be the end of the country or anything. Especially since the Military would be able to continue functioning just fine even if the Pentagon was wiped out. They have lots of contingencies in place for that sort of thing.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9682 on: November 19, 2012, 12:30:04 pm »

Here in Belgium, we had no real government for over a year, and we did just fine. Of course, we don't have the kind of responsability that the US do, but still it's amazing how little input the bureaucracy doing the day-to-day running of the country need.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9683 on: November 19, 2012, 01:17:21 pm »

One advantage of the US political system is that even if the federal government was crippled, the country as a whole would continue functioning because each state has its own government to step in and keep things going. Yes, lots of areas would have issues, but it wouldn't be the end of the country or anything. Especially since the Military would be able to continue functioning just fine even if the Pentagon was wiped out. They have lots of contingencies in place for that sort of thing.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9684 on: November 19, 2012, 02:38:37 pm »

One advantage of the US political system is that even if the federal government was crippled, the country as a whole would continue functioning because each state has its own government to step in and keep things going. Yes, lots of areas would have issues, but it wouldn't be the end of the country or anything. Especially since the Military would be able to continue functioning just fine even if the Pentagon was wiped out. They have lots of contingencies in place for that sort of thing.

You're right. They would have to nuke a lot more than just Washington before we'd be good.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9685 on: November 19, 2012, 03:00:29 pm »

Here in Belgium, we had no real government for over a year, and we did just fine. Of course, we don't have the kind of responsability that the US do, but still it's amazing how little input the bureaucracy doing the day-to-day running of the country need.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9686 on: November 19, 2012, 03:11:10 pm »

Here in Belgium, we had no real government for over a year, and we did just fine. Of course, we don't have the kind of responsability that the US do, but still it's amazing how little input the bureaucracy doing the day-to-day running of the country need.
The US would fall apart without the government. Ever head of the Government shutdown? It's essentially the ultimate nightmare. I don't know about you belgians, but other countries have not done so well without governments. A simlar country was Iraq, who was governmentless for about a year. I don't know about peace-loving, unarmed europeans, but damn is it all going to hell.
 
 
One advantage of the US political system is that even if the federal government was crippled, the country as a whole would continue functioning because each state has its own government to step in and keep things going. Yes, lots of areas would have issues, but it wouldn't be the end of the country or anything. Especially since the Military would be able to continue functioning just fine even if the Pentagon was wiped out. They have lots of contingencies in place for that sort of thing.
Plus, given the Military's still massive second-strike capability, it's entirely likely the day Washington is nuked, the US will simply surround the opposing country (say, North Korea) and obliterate it within 24 hours.

Of course there's the national anti-missile initiative, which focuses on interception of nukes from east asia, so north korea would most likley just end up failing and being invaded.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9687 on: November 19, 2012, 03:20:06 pm »

Here in Belgium, we had no real government for over a year, and we did just fine. Of course, we don't have the kind of responsability that the US do, but still it's amazing how little input the bureaucracy doing the day-to-day running of the country need.
The US would fall apart without the government. Ever head of the Government shutdown? It's essentially the ultimate nightmare. I don't know about you belgians, but other countries have not done so well without governments. A simlar country was Iraq, who was governmentless for about a year. I don't know about peace-loving, unarmed europeans, but damn is it all going to hell.
You actually don't need government for day-to-day business, you need the bureaucracy. Iraq was a country without a state, Belgium a state without a government.
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Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« Reply #9688 on: November 19, 2012, 05:32:24 pm »

You actually don't need government for day-to-day business, you need the bureaucracy. Iraq was a country without a state, Belgium a state without a government.
without the $ how does the bureacracy work, without the govt how do you get the $?
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« Reply #9689 on: November 19, 2012, 05:35:30 pm »

Tax collection is done by the bureaucracy, not the government.

Asking that is no different to asking if we had no government, how would we catch criminals or put out fires, whilst all those are "government agencies", not one of them requires the legislature or executive for day to day operations.
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