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[Leafsnail]

She'll probably drop it once she realizes it's not a good way to attract the youth vote.

[scriver]

Political censorship, sure. Censoring violent games? No. Have some perspective, please. It's not at all the same thing.

[MaximumZero]

Can we please not endorse Sen. Clinton? I lived in NY State when she ran the show, and the taxes, fines and fees there were brutal. I had to register my hands with the state department, at a cost of $150 that I didn't have, or face a $1000 fine and possible jail time. (This is what I get for having a bar brawl broken up by a cop.) They fined me for taking a license plate out of the state and not returning it. The first thing you see when travelling into NY (as of roughly 2001, when she took over,) is a toll booth. She blathered on and on about raising taxes on the wealthy and dropping taxes for the poor, and then raised taxes on everyone.

There's got to be someone who's not going to try to squeeze blood from a stone that we can elect.

[Frumple]

Political censorship, sure. Censoring violent games? No. Have some perspective, please. It's not at all the same thing.

It's an inroad, though, which does make it pretty close to as dangerous. That said, it's not as an immediate threat as a lot of other BFDs in the great web of american cockups, so if that was her worst screwup on the BFD side... that'd be pretty damned impressive. I haven't actually paid enough attention to that clinton to say if it is, but while censorship's definitely high up on m'personal list of political concerns, there's other ones that are even higher, especially in relation to less direct things like video game censorship (ACTA-esq shit would be a different kettle of fish, though.).

Don't mistake it, though. That "have some perspective" bit on censorship is exactly what some of the fuckwads trying to push shit through are after. Little inroads, here and there and there and there, until they've got what they're after.

And apparently the kind ninja MZ has noted some of Sen. Clinton's other BFDs that are considerably more immediate issues. So, yeah.

[SalmonGod]

Information freedom is my #1 political priority, because people are powerless to act on any other political priority without it.  It's no coincidence that social revolution has always followed revolutions in communication (printing press/rennaissance, anyone?), and people taking advantage of those changes to say things that they couldn't have got away with before to audiences that they couldn't have reached before. 

I don't just mean freedom of speech, either.  I mean availability of information across all spectrums.

We're in the midst of one of those revolutions right now, which is why fighting for information freedom is more important than ever.

[Bohandas]

Political censorship, sure. Censoring violent games? No. Have some perspective, please. It's not at all the same thing.

Censoring violent videogames is just as bad.
(Also, censoring porn is worse)

[Frumple]

Yeah, it's definitely high up there for me, too. S'one of those things, though... I could stand a minor setback there if it meant major inroads elsewhere, especially in areas that'd leave people in a better situation to fix the setback later (economic/education improvements, ferex), especially if the setback is something, well, like video game censorship. It's a risk, and it's more than a little dangerous to give any ground on the subject, but if the benefit for doing so was large enough and the cost small enough... I could see myself saying okay, at least for the short term, and on fairly trivial issues.

That's kinda' exactly how the buggers trying to push this crap get'cha, but... yeah. I've got my lines in the sand but it's a little further away than commercial gaming, y'know? Providing the payoff for letting it slide for a few years or whathaveyou was sufficient.

[GlyphGryph]

She voted for the Patriot act. And then voted against for the sole (publicly stated) reason that her state wasn't getting paid enough for it. Then she voted for it when they made the changes she wanted.

She wants to make flag-burning illegal. She introduced legislation to make flag burning punishable with a year of jailtime and enormous fines.

She has publicly states she believes in a stronger executive branch.

She is opposed to same-sex marriage. She favours keeping marijuana illegal.

The main problem with her video game censorship isn't even that she wants to censor video games, but that reading her arguments on it makes it clear she's a moron who is unfit to govern. (Not that this is out of the ordinary for politicians)

She also supports the death penalty for violent criminals and wants more federal executions.

Suffice to say, I don't think I'd be happy with her.

[Bohandas]

Wow! I never realized Hilary was such enormous douchebag.

[GlyphGryph]

She does have some good things going for her as well - she supports net neutrality and is a decent promoter of environmentalism. She's pro-choice and is generally a competent negotiator (she DID get her state a ton more money via the Patriot Act) and, at least verbally, she's big on transparency.

Overall, though, I'm not a fan.

[SalmonGod]

I'm fine with video games having an enforced ratings system.  Anything beyond that starts to set off massive alarms for me, because it's getting into familiar repression territory.

[Moghjubar]

I would imagine on a subforum of a sort of 'gaming' community that the video censorship thing would be a big deal to most people.  It is to me.

Of course, if we are talking 2016 we really need some real people to compare against, in order to get the full scale of neutral to evil politicians.

[Nadaka]

I'm fine with video games having an enforced ratings system.  Anything beyond that starts to set off massive alarms for me, because it's getting into familiar repression territory.

She didn't want to enforce the already nearly universal rating system. She wanted to outright ban games with "mature content", even if that mature content is not accessible playing the game but merely exists as left over unused data.

[SalmonGod]

even if that mature content is not accessible playing the game but merely exists as left over unused data.

I'm guessing this was fallout from the "Hot Coffee" controversy...

Yeah... that's where you start running into blatant "you're not allowed to express these thoughts" territory, which leads to bad stuff no matter what the subject matter is, but even worse if it can be successfully applied to one thing, it can then spread to others.  It doesn't matter that it's just video games.

As for how that reflects on Hillary... I have mixed feelings.  It's the kind of situation where everyone goes temporarily insane and says a bunch of stupid shit, and most of them try to act like it never happened not too long afterwards.  I'm willing to let it go if she repents profusely enough on the subject.

Not that I see myself ever voting for a candidate from the two major parties anyway.

[Sirus]

I'm fine with video games having an enforced ratings system.  Anything beyond that starts to set off massive alarms for me, because it's getting into familiar repression territory.

Agreed. I have no problems with knowing what I'm getting into when I'm checking out a new game. I'm even fine with letting stores choose not to sell adult games (after all, there's always digital distribution). I have real problems when random talking heads want to outright ban stuff, because I know that they're not all as incompetent as Jack Thompson.

_{was gonna TvTrope link here, but apparently Jack's page got removed}